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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Jwar » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:40 am

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Why would the FBI give a shit that Donnie screwed a porn actress a decade ago, though?


Money, primarily where it came from and how it was transferred, I believe. The special counsel seems to be focusing on financial ties and they've run across something that is shady, financially. The source of funds isn't clear, the explanation by Trump's lawyer doesn't make sense, Trump has claimed it's not his money and he knows nothing about it, but is suing her for not upholding the agreement and demanding personal repayment (not to his lawyer). The source of the transfer was a generically named private LLC that was created weeks before. The private LLC is based in Delaware, which has really strict privacy laws and is used by A LOT of concerns that don't want the source of their funds public (particularly political groups, Super PACs, etc.). Probably not tied to Russia in any way or even illegal, unless campaign funds were used. Which is probably why they're looking at it, since presumably some of the other things they're investigating involve the source and use of campaign funds, since Manafort was involved. It might not be anything from a legal standpoint, honestly. It doesn't look good from a PR/personal reputation standpoint, but that's a meaningless concept as it relates to Trump's political viability. I would hazard a guess that it would ruin any other politician on principle, even if completely legal, but I can't think of a single thing the guy could do on live television that would make evangelicals and hardline right wingers turn on him at this point.


From what I understand on LLC laws, this is all totally legal. You can create an LLC in a day, and fund anything you want really as long as you can show it as a business expense, which is not hard to do. I've done it on many things, my dad does it all the time. He did that most likely so he could get a tax deduction on paying her for "services rendered". So, there's an admittance of guilt, but who cares about that? I would be shocked if the money came from any outside entities as it's not that much money. Trump probably carries more in his front pocket than he paid her.

As far as campaign funds, there's could be a lot of legal holes there as well that allowed him to do what he did. Donald is pretty smart and has an exit plan for almost everything. People really underestimate him and it's funny because he gets off scott free from almost everything. Teflon Don.

Now if he were truly smart, he would have created a blind Trust (which they cannot legally find out who owns) and made Stromy a signer on it so she could pull her own money. That is totally legal and you also would not be able to legally tell how much money was in the trust. Laws prohibit that. You can set up a trust bank account based on the trust and pull from it. All is hidden from prying eyes and would take a lot of red tape to get through.
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Dandolin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:43 am

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hmmm hadn't thought about Ryan in that light; he's failed enough at that level to be radioactive to the party, I would have thought. As to the party tide turning against Drumpf, yes that wave has been building offshore and I'm pretty sure it's going to be a whopper--surf's up!
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Kacey Y » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:08 am

Jesus Was a Robot wrote:From what I understand on LLC laws, this is all totally legal. You can create an LLC in a day, and fund anything you want really as long as you can show it as a business expense, which is not hard to do. I've done it on many things, my dad does it all the time. He did that most likely so he could get a tax deduction on paying her for "services rendered". So, there's an admittance of guilt, but who cares about that? I would be shocked if the money came from any outside entities as it's not that much money. Trump probably carries more in his front pocket than he paid her.

As far as campaign funds, there's could be a lot of legal holes there as well that allowed him to do what he did. Donald is pretty smart and has an exit plan for almost everything. People really underestimate him and it's funny because he gets off scott free from almost everything. Teflon Don.

Now if he were truly smart, he would have created a blind Trust (which they cannot legally find out who owns) and made Stromy a signer on it so she could pull her own money. That is totally legal and you also would not be able to legally tell how much money was in the trust. Laws prohibit that. You can set up a trust bank account based on the trust and pull from it. All is hidden from prying eyes and would take a lot of red tape to get through.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to get across, if it wasn't clear. There's nothing particular illegal about any of it, it's just unsavory. It's only shady in so much that all money matters related to private business and politics are at this point. Which is EXTREMELY, but completely legal, because the people being shady are the ones paying for the lobbyists, passing the laws and getting all the money. There's always the chance that the source of all of this could lead to extremely illegal things, but if that's the case then everyone involved in the legal and financial affairs of the president were just grossly incompetent and sloppy. Which I would believe, but I don't assume he's guilty of anything illegal because he's a rich guy that paid off a mistress and wasn't transparent about it. Usually once you get a special counsel involved, they start investigating anything that might be fishy, but being a creep and lying to not openly admit your creepiness isn't criminal, unless you do it under oath in a legal proceeding or possibly lie to investigators directly. I dunno, conservatives could excuse it politically without choosing to defend and excuse the guy morally and progressives could condemn him morally and ethically without trying to make it a high crime, but whatever. There's plenty to criticize him on pretty much any basis other than criminal action and none of it seems to phase his hardcore supporters. The ones that say they support him for all the ideals he constantly undermines and betrays with a smirk. At this point I just attribute it to the kind of people that you could scrawl an "R" on a brick, throw it through their window and they'd defend the brick.
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby dubkitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:08 am

you know, the more i think about it the more i think that Cohen is the key to this entire shit-show. work with me for a minute: not only is Cohen Trump's lawyer, he is also the deputy finance director for the RNC. the law office he was working out of belongs to the firm that represents Cambridge Analytica and also lobbies for Gazprom, the largest oil corporation in Russia.

let's connect the dots. dirty money comes from Russia via Gazprom. Cohen launders the money through shady NYC real-estate deals, and then funnels it to Cambridge, and to the RNC via the NRA which has admitted taking donations from Russia. Cohen also rakes off some of the Russian proceeds and uses it to pay off Stormy. all of this is directed by Trump and the RNC in coordination (collusion) with Russia.

thus we have the collusion Trump protests against so desperately. we also have illegal campaign contributions, both from Russia (five-year felony sentence for overseas campaign contributions) and via what is legally an in-kind gift to the Trump campaign in paying off Stormy in excess of the campaign finance limits (two year felony sentence). and if it can be shown that Trump took pro-Russia positions--e.g. refusing to move against Russia in regards to the war in the Ukraine and/or refusing to implement the Congressionally-mandated sanctions against Russia for election tampering--then that's no less than treason, which is punishable by DEATH.

no wonder Trump is so desperate to stop Mueller.
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Chankgeez » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:11 am

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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby dubkitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:19 am

i swear to god i'm gonna give myself whiplash going back and forth to news sites. :erm:
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Jwar » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:45 am

Corey Y wrote:
Jesus Was a Robot wrote:From what I understand on LLC laws, this is all totally legal. You can create an LLC in a day, and fund anything you want really as long as you can show it as a business expense, which is not hard to do. I've done it on many things, my dad does it all the time. He did that most likely so he could get a tax deduction on paying her for "services rendered". So, there's an admittance of guilt, but who cares about that? I would be shocked if the money came from any outside entities as it's not that much money. Trump probably carries more in his front pocket than he paid her.

As far as campaign funds, there's could be a lot of legal holes there as well that allowed him to do what he did. Donald is pretty smart and has an exit plan for almost everything. People really underestimate him and it's funny because he gets off scott free from almost everything. Teflon Don.

Now if he were truly smart, he would have created a blind Trust (which they cannot legally find out who owns) and made Stromy a signer on it so she could pull her own money. That is totally legal and you also would not be able to legally tell how much money was in the trust. Laws prohibit that. You can set up a trust bank account based on the trust and pull from it. All is hidden from prying eyes and would take a lot of red tape to get through.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to get across, if it wasn't clear. There's nothing particular illegal about any of it, it's just unsavory. It's only shady in so much that all money matters related to private business and politics are at this point. Which is EXTREMELY, but completely legal, because the people being shady are the ones paying for the lobbyists, passing the laws and getting all the money. There's always the chance that the source of all of this could lead to extremely illegal things, but if that's the case then everyone involved in the legal and financial affairs of the president were just grossly incompetent and sloppy. Which I would believe, but I don't assume he's guilty of anything illegal because he's a rich guy that paid off a mistress and wasn't transparent about it. Usually once you get a special counsel involved, they start investigating anything that might be fishy, but being a creep and lying to not openly admit your creepiness isn't criminal, unless you do it under oath in a legal proceeding or possibly lie to investigators directly. I dunno, conservatives could excuse it politically without choosing to defend and excuse the guy morally and progressives could condemn him morally and ethically without trying to make it a high crime, but whatever. There's plenty to criticize him on pretty much any basis other than criminal action and none of it seems to phase his hardcore supporters. The ones that say they support him for all the ideals he constantly undermines and betrays with a smirk. At this point I just attribute it to the kind of people that you could scrawl an "R" on a brick, throw it through their window and they'd defend the brick.


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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Chankgeez » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:49 am

… and I think we can all agree that we're all fucked. :whoa:
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Kacey Y » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:57 am

Chankgeez wrote:… and I think we can all agree that we're all fucked. :whoa:


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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Jwar » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:22 am

This shit scares the hell out of me.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... s-strikes/
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Bassist_Diver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:15 am

Jesus Was a Robot wrote:This shit scares the hell out of me.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... s-strikes/


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Wasn't this the same buffoon who said we should strive to have a good relationship with Russia a mere two months ago?
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Chankgeez » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:18 am

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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby comesect2.0 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:30 am

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Chankgeez wrote:… and I think we can all agree that we're all fucked. :whoa:


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I was listening to funasia radio this morning and the lady made it sound like americans are gonna get bombed with chemical weapons. When she was done talking about Syria and Russia, she would then say "& in which President Trump said" and I was just waiting it for it to be like Image
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Bassist_Diver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Meltdowns? In MY White House?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/us/p ... eller.html

At the White House, Trump Takes Selfies and Seethes Over Mueller

WASHINGTON — Outside the White House, President Trump grinned for selfies with Alabama’s Crimson Tide, telling the college football champions that they had beaten their rivals so brutally, “you flat-out made them quit” — a feat he said he knew something about himself.

Inside the White House, Mr. Trump — furious after the F.B.I. raided his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen — spent much of the day brooding and fearful and near what two people close to the West Wing described as a “meltdown.”

Mr. Trump’s public and private wrath about the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election are nothing new. But the raids on Monday on Mr. Cohen’s Rockefeller Center office and Park Avenue hotel room have sent the president to new heights of outrage, setting the White House on edge as it faces a national security crisis in Syria and more internal staff churn.

On Tuesday, top White House aides described themselves as deeply anxious over the prospect that the president might use the treatment of his lawyer as a pretext to fire Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel.

But Mr. Mueller still had a job by the end of the day as Mr. Trump sought solace in allies like Alan Dershowitz, a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School and a frequent Fox News commentator. Mr. Dershowitz met Tuesday with Mr. Trump at the White House and then stayed for dinner.

“This is a very dangerous day today for lawyer-client relations,” Mr. Dershowitz said Monday night on Fox in an interview with Sean Hannity, one of Mr. Trump’s favorite hosts. “Shoe on the other foot. If this were Hillary Clinton being investigated and they went into her lawyer’s office, the A.C.L.U. would be on every television station in America, jumping up and down.”

Mr. Trump took up the theme on Twitter on Tuesday morning, posting that “attorney–client privilege is dead!”

Mr. Dershowitz, who has argued that Mr. Trump should not agree to be interviewed by Mr. Mueller, said Mr. Cohen’s treatment had vindicated that point of view. “This sends a powerful message that cooperation is not going to be rewarded by Mueller,” Mr. Dershowitz said on Fox. “The result may very well be far less cooperation” with the special counsel.

Elsewhere in the White House, as the president considered options on Syria and absorbed cable news chyrons about Mr. Cohen, staff members at the National Security Council were rattled by the ouster of the homeland security adviser, Thomas P. Bossert. Two White House officials said the move came at the urging of the new national security adviser, John R. Bolton, whom one of the officials described as serving as the president’s shiny new object.

Mr. Trump’s mood had begun to sour even before the raids on his lawyer. People close to the White House said that over the weekend, the president engaged in few activities other than dinner at the Trump International Hotel. He tuned into Fox News, they said, watched reports about the so-called deep state looking to sink his presidency and became unglued.

Mr. Trump angrily told his advisers that people were trying to undermine him and that he wanted to get rid of three top Justice Department officials — Jeff Sessions, the attorney general; Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who appointed Mr. Mueller; and Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director — according to two people familiar with what took place.

He eventually calmed down and the anger abated. But it was stoked anew on Monday, after the F.B.I. raids on Mr. Cohen. Mr. Rosenstein in particular was a source of Mr. Trump’s anger on Monday, and some aides believed the president was seriously considering firing him, to a degree he has not in the past.

Mr. Trump’s foul mood continued into Tuesday as he watched more coverage of Mr. Cohen’s problems. Mr. Trump told allies and advisers that Mr. Mueller had gone too far and that his actions would backfire, according to a person with knowledge of the president’s thinking.

The president indicated to some advisers that he had been proved right that Mr. Mueller was out to get him, after nearly a year of hearing from some of his lawyers that he should cooperate with the investigation and turn over everything that the special counsel requested. His participation in an interview with Mr. Mueller, which the special counsel has sought, seemed less likely, three people close to the president said.

Mr. Trump has long felt as if he has been unfairly hit by the Mueller investigation, and he has wanted to hit back. But there were few people on cable TV defending the president on Tuesday.

White House advisers were particularly alarmed by the president’s tirade in front of reporters on Monday, when he called the raids on Mr. Cohen “an attack on our country” in far angrier terms than he has ever referred to the Russian assault on the 2016 election.

Few people still at the White House are able to restrain Mr. Trump from acting on his impulses after the departures of crucial staff members who were once able to join forces with other aides to do so. That included Hope Hicks, his former communications director; Rob Porter, his former staff secretary; and, in 2017, the chief of staff Reince Priebus and the chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

John F. Kelly, the current chief of staff whose influence over the president has waned for months, appeared beaten down and less hands-on, according to two White House officials. Mr. Kelly has told Mr. Trump it is frustrating for staff members that the president deems most news media stories fake news but believes the ones accusing various advisers of leaking, according to people familiar with the discussions.

It is not clear whether Mr. Trump can fire Mr. Mueller himself. Many legal experts believe the president would have to direct Mr. Rosenstein to do so because Mr. Sessions has recused himself from the case and Mr. Rosenstein technically oversees Mr. Mueller.

Mr. Rosenstein has told Congress that he would dismiss Mr. Mueller only for cause, and people close to Mr. Rosenstein have indicated he would resign if the president ordered him to fire Mr. Mueller. Bipartisan legislation has been introduced to protect Mr. Mueller, with senators urging the president to let it go forward “without impediment.”

Republican leadership has dismissed such legislation as unnecessary. But the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, warned Mr. Trump on Tuesday to not fire Mr. Mueller, saying in an interview on Fox Business Network it would be “suicide” to continue to talk about firing him.

On Tuesday on the South Lawn, Mr. Trump appeared to leave such concerns behind during the event with the Crimson Tide, winners of the N.C.A.A. championship. Mr. Sessions, a former Alabama senator, was on hand to salute his home-state players, but the president did not acknowledge him.

Instead, he praised the team’s pugnacious spirit, saying that they “fought back as they did all season long.”

“They kept fighting and fighting,” the president said.
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Re: "unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

Postby Bassist_Diver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Double posting because the Cheeto Shit-for-Brains finally realized that joining the TPP was a good idea and was more about blunting China's trade power than anything else:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... trade-pact

Did Obama and his Congress fuck up by keeping the deal under lock-and-key for so long? Absolutely. But once the details were finally released anyone with a basic understanding of economics and had even been less than half paying attention to China could see how important this pact was (not to mention how much of a boon it would be for the economy). Trump is still pushing a supply-side trade system that hasn't worked since the Internet, and the fact that he can't grasp that is dangerous on many levels.

I'm not even going to do my usual "read candidate stances on the issues and vote regardless of party" schtick this November - we need the Democrats to flood the Hill just so this buffoon can be shut up and thrown out of office. While Pence is also a disgusting shitbag in his own right, at least he has political foresight and can look at the big picture when it comes to international and trade issues.
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