frodog wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying here. How is it disheartening that I disagree, I guess initially about outrage culture/joke intolerance? Even though I'm not invested in this specific twitter controversy (or any other; don't have an account), I think my opinion should hold some weight. I don't know, it's just opinions. I'm saying that the posts I saw from Ted Leo, Michelle Zauner and a few others did not convince me that this was really that offensive.
It's disheartening because the core of your argument regarding the Pussy Melter is that you know better than women when it comes to issues that affect only them. I don't think you believe that, but it's what you're saying.
frodog wrote:I respect them as musicians, but I think they used their voices here in a way that undermined what they maybe wanted to do. Imagine the audience laughter if Ted Leo said between songs, after looking at his/the bassists board: “The pedal world is disgusting! Just look at all the pedals with 'balls/ballz' names! Bros marketing for bros” (paraphrased quote, search ted leo balls).
That particular quote seems a little hyperbolic in this day and age, but it would've been completely accurate twenty years ago, and the sentiment is still valid. The pedal world has come a long way, but it's still overwhelmingly white- and male-dominated, so there are obviously still problems.
frodog wrote:I'd like to see a real study on being a woman in the music industry so that actual problems can be highlighted. I'm sure the answers would vary wildly based on where people are based/ where they tour/ genre/ economics/ drug use/ political affiliation/ ambition/ etc… I'd also like to see for instance a metal band call out some indie rockers for being 'too friendly'.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Yeah, people are different from one another. That's kind of the point. Many women came out and said the marketing behind that TonePrint was a punch to the gut for them because it represented every obstacle they ever encountered on their road to guitar goddess-dom, and all you heard was "wahhhh", refusing to believe that their experiences could be different from yours.
frodog wrote:It does absolutely matter. The joke may not be ha-ha funny to you or me, but SP is an obvious parody band, veering towards shock-rock. Completely vanilla compared to many other bands. The lines might be blurred between real life and act, but so much entertainment is. Who decides which jokes could have a potential (bad) impact? Women in bands? The government? Where do you stop when it comes to shutting down jokes/offensive product names? Sure you can petition all the companies, go ahead, but it's a slippery slope as you say.
This isn't a free speech issue. Literally nobody has suggested that sexist jokes should be outlawed. Everyone has the right to make jokes at the expense of whomever they want, and everyone else has the right to publically shame them for it. That's not a slippery slope; it's free speech working as intended. Social pressure has definitely been used to cause harm, but it trends toward progress. The slippery slope is
not excercising that pressure, because you embolden hate when you indulge it. And excusing whatever dogshit spews from someone's mouth on the basis of it being a joke is definitely indulging it.
frodog wrote:That is a stretch. A lot of girls I'd think from early days in the guitar's history were respected players, and certainly in the '70s many got into folk, rock, punk and new wave, and helped shape that scene and beyond, to this day. Let's not forget the acoustic guitar. Didn't seem to matter to them that some of the industry or other artists were lagging behind, old and uncool. But any big industry moves slowly I guess. Not saying that is a good thing, but on the plus side we now have all these small companies that make rad stuff!
Yeah, dude, a lot of women have cut through the noise and earned respect through sheer determination. If the obstacles they faced didn't seem to matter to them, I'd guess that was by design. There are always pioneers too stubborn to let the world beat them down, but nobody should
have to be that person just to live the life they want.
frodog wrote:By the way, the US company that assembled the SP pedal (they build for many others too), and they sold like 2 – 3,000 not 100. But I guess I might safely ignore them as well, unless one (maybe even a woman!) ends up playing in a band and I listen to them and maybe buy their record.
I'm pretty sure It's Electric is Czech. Either way, I stand corrected, but remain unconvinced that any of this means it wasn't a victory to get TC to disavow Steel Panther. Like all publicity stunts, it will fade into obscurity, and the much less obscure Flashback still won't have a Pussy Melter setting. It's regrettable that there are now thousands of Pussy Melter-branded paperweights floating around the internet, but they'll eventually all wind up collecting dust on the shelves of the right white men to ensure that nobody else has to bear witness. Steel Panther's existence is a net loss for humanity, to be sure, but going after the source is usually a lost cause in cases like this. You just have to mitigate their influence outside the echo chamber.
frodog wrote:It's like an Ouroboros, but apparently now it's so horrible to be on the tail end. But there needs to be a tail, not just the snake's head.
If you're saying that the world needs hate to retain balance, that seems pretty ill-informed.