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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby conky » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:37 am

Hey dudes, looks like my band is going to be down to one guitar. Matt decided to step down after going through a divorce and wanting to spend as much time with his kids (which is what i would do if i were in his position). Sucks because he and i rarely lock in on the same thing. Luckily i ended up writing the majority of our new album and it doesnt sound bad with one guitar. Some parts we leave out so the bass and drums cover everything, some the keys play his part. There are about 3 sections though that need two guitars on.

I have a Jamman stereo and loop stuff at home, mostly noise bits but sometimes i loop and play over it when trying to come up with new parts. I have a hard time playing to a loop with the band though. I can never get the levels right. It seems with a lot of fuzz it just becomes a big ol compressed pile of turd. It loses a ton of clarity. How do you guys remedy this? Ive tried running a wet dry rig where my reverbs, delays and loop go to my JMP and the Matamp gets fuzz only. Ive also tried running full stereo from my Timefactor to the Jamman to both amps. Neither really made a difference. Is the mushy loops just a Jamman thing or do they all do that with high gain? FWIW, my amps are high headroom.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby odontophobia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:54 am

conky wrote:Hey dudes, looks like my band is going to be down to one guitar. Matt decided to step down after going through a divorce and wanting to spend as much time with his kids (which is what i would do if i were in his position). Sucks because he and i rarely lock in on the same thing. Luckily i ended up writing the majority of our new album and it doesnt sound bad with one guitar. Some parts we leave out so the bass and drums cover everything, some the keys play his part. There are about 3 sections though that need two guitars on.

I have a Jamman stereo and loop stuff at home, mostly noise bits but sometimes i loop and play over it when trying to come up with new parts. I have a hard time playing to a loop with the band though. I can never get the levels right. It seems with a lot of fuzz it just becomes a big ol compressed pile of turd. It loses a ton of clarity. How do you guys remedy this? Ive tried running a wet dry rig where my reverbs, delays and loop go to my JMP and the Matamp gets fuzz only. Ive also tried running full stereo from my Timefactor to the Jamman to both amps. Neither really made a difference. Is the mushy loops just a Jamman thing or do they all do that with high gain? FWIW, my amps are high headroom.


I had a friend who used to do some live looping stuff but our sound didn’t have such thick fuzz sauce.

In this instance have you tried to just dial it in clean and see if you can get levels to meet up? Is it still muddy when clean? Maybe use pitch to go up an octave or play in an upper octave to help cut through the mix?
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby conky » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:28 am

Clean is a little better but it still doesnt work with a live band context with bass and synth. The clean loop either gets lost or it buries what im playing over it. Low volume jamming by myself works great when trying to come up with leads and what not. I run the loop through the JMP which is dialed brighter than the Matamp but it didnt really make a difference that running into both.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby odontophobia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:42 pm

conky wrote:Clean is a little better but it still doesnt work with a live band context with bass and synth. The clean loop either gets lost or it buries what im playing over it. Low volume jamming by myself works great when trying to come up with leads and what not. I run the loop through the JMP which is dialed brighter than the Matamp but it didnt really make a difference that running into both.



that sucks. i don't have a good solution because i really don't duck with looping at all. i've really only done so on my ipad and not live and usually the frequency is just running on top of itself and switching riffs to higher registers shifts the tone enough to help distinguish a bit. weird that it's getting buried in the two amp scenario. same fuzz/distortion sound for each "track?"
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby D.o.S. » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:19 pm

It's discontinued but the headrush worked great for that. The dude from Bong does a lot of looping with the little red Boss looper though and they still sound massive with one guitar. Maybe investigate that?
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby Invisible Man » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:46 pm

It just doesn't work well with high gain, usually. Especially for live looping, it's better if it's cleaner, more percussive, and out of the way (frequency-wise) of other instrumentation.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby fallen » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:53 pm

I usually keep my looper (Ditto) fairly low output and sometimes use the fact that the loops get buried under a high volume output fuzz pedal to my advantage - just leave it the noise pad or atmosphere running and once you kick on the fuzz it basically disappears in the background.

When you want to balance it you need to either play the looped part an octave up to give it it's own sonic space - or you need a looper with one big volume knob so that you can continually mix in the loop level louder or softer as needed. I've never found "the sweet spot" so I put a big MXR style knob on my Ditto that is easier to turn with the sole of my shoe.

I feel like a looper with a tone control needs to be a thing - the tone control on the Echorec delay would be perfect - one direction the repeats get dark, the other direction the repeats get thinner - either way the repeats can be loud and they don't get in the way of your dry tone.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby fallen » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:00 pm

It just started snowing here so I'm finally getting into the holiday spirit. I'm looking forward to a few crappy days weather wise that will look great through the window but will coax me down into the studio for some riffage.

Happy holidays everyone and hope you all get a little bit of time off to get some fuzz time in over the next two weeks. :animal:

In 10 days I'm heading to Mexico City so I'm also looking forward to that. Good food and art, should be a blast.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby emptyparadigm » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:14 am

conky wrote:Hey dudes, looks like my band is going to be down to one guitar. Matt decided to step down after going through a divorce and wanting to spend as much time with his kids (which is what i would do if i were in his position). Sucks because he and i rarely lock in on the same thing. Luckily i ended up writing the majority of our new album and it doesnt sound bad with one guitar. Some parts we leave out so the bass and drums cover everything, some the keys play his part. There are about 3 sections though that need two guitars on.

I have a Jamman stereo and loop stuff at home, mostly noise bits but sometimes i loop and play over it when trying to come up with new parts. I have a hard time playing to a loop with the band though. I can never get the levels right. It seems with a lot of fuzz it just becomes a big ol compressed pile of turd. It loses a ton of clarity. How do you guys remedy this? Ive tried running a wet dry rig where my reverbs, delays and loop go to my JMP and the Matamp gets fuzz only. Ive also tried running full stereo from my Timefactor to the Jamman to both amps. Neither really made a difference. Is the mushy loops just a Jamman thing or do they all do that with high gain? FWIW, my amps are high headroom.


I think the only way to avoid the mush would be to have a setup wherein the loops play through one rig while you play through the other. Pulling that off while still being able to use both rigs when the looper isn't active would probably require insane tap dancing or a midi setup though. My buddy Zak from Anagnorisis used to (and maybe still does) loop rhythm guitars under his leads with one of those big Boss samplers and a setup too complex for my caveman brain.

The only other option I can think of is to have the loops come through the PA. I do this with a few ambient lead line type parts in Glacial Tomb.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby conky » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:25 pm

I think I have the looping worked out. Ended up running the loop into both amps surprisingly.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby conky » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:28 pm





Also, I got to play around with this all day. I've wanted a reverb pedal that worked with higher gain and always came up short. Nick knocked it outta the park with the Gravity Well.
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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby AZX309 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:29 pm

conky wrote:


Also, I got to play around with this all day. I've wanted a reverb pedal that worked with higher gain and always came up short. Nick knocked it outta the park with the Gravity Well.


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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Postby HeavyXIII » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:22 am

emptyparadigm wrote:I think the only way to avoid the mush would be to have a setup wherein the loops play through one rig while you play through the other. Pulling that off while still being able to use both rigs when the looper isn't active would probably require insane tap dancing or a midi setup though. My buddy Zak from Anagnorisis used to (and maybe still does) loop rhythm guitars under his leads with one of those big Boss samplers and a setup too complex for my caveman brain.

The only other option I can think of is to have the loops come through the PA. I do this with a few ambient lead line type parts in Glacial Tomb.


I know I'm quite late, but this is more or less how I've run my looper for the last couple years. Almost full wet from the loop in one amp, no looper in the other. Having a separate EQ at the amp level for both the looped signal and the dry guitar has been helpful.

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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

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