Count To Five



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Re: Count To Five

Postby cosmicevan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:55 pm

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cosmicevan wrote:.Montreal Assembly, to me...is kinda like the Simpsons of pedals.


lol probably the last comparison i would expect. but thank you for your support!

Can we get a 5th anniversary style box but instead of triangles, it's Simpsons, and instead of green, it's yellow?
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Re: Count To Five

Postby multi_s » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:59 pm

Phuzzy856 wrote:Spent the night in 'regular' Mode3.

WTF?

1) Control tempo (DIR1)
2) Step variance (DIR2)
3) 1-3 playback heads modulated (DIR3)... is this like 1/2 way thru it goes to 2, and then all CW it's 3?

So, if I record 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and (8 notes), leave DIR2 at '0', and DIR3 at '0', will DIR1's 'repeats' slow down/speed up as I twiddle the DIR1 knob?

And then with DIR2, is that going between single notes, two, three, four,... and so on?... like a 'scale'?


All I know is that I set it up, recorded something, and this rush of notes came back, in all registers, it was... unbelievable!!!

Again, since Ct5 doesn't 'remember' settings, I wasn't just yet able to dupe last night's awesomeness.



Either way, I guess I've figured out that Modes 2-3 do 'do' anything UNTIL you record 'something'. Is that correct?


Those are the extra parameters with Q held up.

It adds a random step LFO to the regular DIR 1/2/3 setting. Ie it adds the 2. SO you can think of the DIR setting as the mean, then a sort of s/h waveform is added to the setting.

Q up + DIR 1 -> controls how often a change in step occurs
Q up + DIR 2 -> contrls the varuiance, you could think of it as the max amplitude or spread of the s/h signal
Q up + DIR 3 -> which heads the wave is added to. Can be Just DIR 1, DIR 1 and 2 or Dir 1 2 and 3.
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Re: Count To Five

Postby MrNovember » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:41 am

multi_s wrote:
Phuzzy856 wrote:Spent the night in 'regular' Mode3.

WTF?

1) Control tempo (DIR1)
2) Step variance (DIR2)
3) 1-3 playback heads modulated (DIR3)... is this like 1/2 way thru it goes to 2, and then all CW it's 3?

So, if I record 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and (8 notes), leave DIR2 at '0', and DIR3 at '0', will DIR1's 'repeats' slow down/speed up as I twiddle the DIR1 knob?

And then with DIR2, is that going between single notes, two, three, four,... and so on?... like a 'scale'?


All I know is that I set it up, recorded something, and this rush of notes came back, in all registers, it was... unbelievable!!!

Again, since Ct5 doesn't 'remember' settings, I wasn't just yet able to dupe last night's awesomeness.



Either way, I guess I've figured out that Modes 2-3 do 'do' anything UNTIL you record 'something'. Is that correct?


Those are the extra parameters with Q held up.

It adds a random step LFO to the regular DIR 1/2/3 setting. Ie it adds the 2. SO you can think of the DIR setting as the mean, then a sort of s/h waveform is added to the setting.

Q up + DIR 1 -> controls how often a change in step occurs
Q up + DIR 2 -> contrls the varuiance, you could think of it as the max amplitude or spread of the s/h signal
Q up + DIR 3 -> which heads the wave is added to. Can be Just DIR 1, DIR 1 and 2 or Dir 1 2 and 3.

Jesus, this blows my mind. At first I had absolutely no idea what Phuzzy was even asking, but I still haven't really dig into all of the secondary features in this pedal. Mostly, I've just dug into different quantization in mode 1, but there's so much hiding in here! And now there's a second version of the firmware!? Mind-boggled! I need to go read some manuals
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Re: Count To Five

Postby cosmicevan » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm

MrNovember wrote:
multi_s wrote:
Phuzzy856 wrote:Spent the night in 'regular' Mode3.

WTF?

1) Control tempo (DIR1)
2) Step variance (DIR2)
3) 1-3 playback heads modulated (DIR3)... is this like 1/2 way thru it goes to 2, and then all CW it's 3?

So, if I record 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and (8 notes), leave DIR2 at '0', and DIR3 at '0', will DIR1's 'repeats' slow down/speed up as I twiddle the DIR1 knob?

And then with DIR2, is that going between single notes, two, three, four,... and so on?... like a 'scale'?


All I know is that I set it up, recorded something, and this rush of notes came back, in all registers, it was... unbelievable!!!

Again, since Ct5 doesn't 'remember' settings, I wasn't just yet able to dupe last night's awesomeness.



Either way, I guess I've figured out that Modes 2-3 do 'do' anything UNTIL you record 'something'. Is that correct?


Those are the extra parameters with Q held up.

It adds a random step LFO to the regular DIR 1/2/3 setting. Ie it adds the 2. SO you can think of the DIR setting as the mean, then a sort of s/h waveform is added to the setting.

Q up + DIR 1 -> controls how often a change in step occurs
Q up + DIR 2 -> contrls the varuiance, you could think of it as the max amplitude or spread of the s/h signal
Q up + DIR 3 -> which heads the wave is added to. Can be Just DIR 1, DIR 1 and 2 or Dir 1 2 and 3.

Jesus, this blows my mind. At first I had absolutely no idea what Phuzzy was even asking, but I still haven't really dig into all of the secondary features in this pedal. Mostly, I've just dug into different quantization in mode 1, but there's so much hiding in here! And now there's a second version of the firmware!? Mind-boggled! I need to go read some manuals


The secondary functions really open things up. Even in mode 3, using the "E" toggle to add in tape heads is such a cool way to build sound. It really is worth digging in on those secondary functions, there is also volume controls for each head by holding Q down. That's really game changing...but makes things a bit jumpy when setting volume and then tweaking the param, but still super cool.
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Re: Count To Five

Postby Phuzzy856 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:28 am

ogguitar wrote:
Phuzzy856 wrote:Spent the night in 'regular' Mode3.

WTF?

1) Control tempo (DIR1)
2) Step variance (DIR2)
3) 1-3 playback heads modulated (DIR3)... is this like 1/2 way thru it goes to 2, and then all CW it's 3?

So, if I record 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and (8 notes), leave DIR2 at '0', and DIR3 at '0', will DIR1's 'repeats' slow down/speed up as I twiddle the DIR1 knob?

And then with DIR2, is that going between single notes, two, three, four,... and so on?... like a 'scale'?


All I know is that I set it up, recorded something, and this rush of notes came back, in all registers, it was... unbelievable!!!

Again, since Ct5 doesn't 'remember' settings, I wasn't just yet able to dupe last night's awesomeness.



Either way, I guess I've figured out that Modes 2-3 do 'do' anything UNTIL you record 'something'. Is that correct?


Mode 3 is 3 playback heads for one sample or really short loop. Forgot if it's 4 sec or 8. Record a loop then Dir 1 is speed/pitch/direction for head 1 from +1 oct/2x speed reverse at CCW, through -1 oct/0.5x speed just before noon then -1 oct/0.5x speed just after noon through +1 oct/2x speed at full CW - and everything in between. Same sweep as other modes.

Dir 2 and Dir 3 both have the same sweep as Dir 1, and all knobs control the exact same thing but for 3 different playback heads. E switch activates 1 playback at top, 2 at middle, and all 3 at bottom. So you can have say one arpeggio or riff playing at 3 different speeds and pitches with in both forward and reverse.

That's the gist of it. There's quantization, playhead volume, etc. as well with more advanced controls. IIRC you get one overdub. If you do a second overdub you'll lose the original sample, then whatever was oldest if you keep overdubbing. Think of it like the Sith Rule of Two.


Hey ogg... I know you from TGP, right? lol... this seems funny, haha!

Anyhow, ok, I spent a 2nd night with Mode3, and just read your description.

I guess my initial reaction is ... IS THAT IT???? At least, that's where I was getting last night. SO-

1) I record an '8 note riff' (slowish, @4sec)

DIR1 = forward, no Pitch fluctuation
DIR2 = Oct +1, forward
DIR3 = Oct -1, forward

OK, so now I hear the 'regular' one at regular speed, the +1 at double-speed, and the -1 at half-speed.

So, now I have all 3 secondary functions at '0'

DIR1 = speed at which the Repeats(?) cycle thru (kinda like Zellersasn?)

DIR2 = DO I HAVE TO QUANTIZE IN MODE2 (Transcendence), AND THEN GO TO MODE3- CUZ ALL THE 'NOTES' I'M GETTING BACK ARE ALL 'OUT OF TUNE'/TOTALLY RANDOM It literally sounds like scary Avant-Garde Classical music from the 60s! I just can't get ANY 'in tune' notes AT ALL?

DIR3 = I just can't tell 'where' on the dial the 2nd and 3rd Voices come in... sometimes it seems @10:00, sometimes @4:00.


I have been Muting DIR2 to see how 3 is functioning, and Muting DIR3 to see how 2 is functioning.


LOL, I NEED TO HEAR AN EXAMPLE OF ITS USE..





OVERDUBBING: It seemed to me that it just keep on overdubbing and overdubbing endlessly, until there was a BigMush. Mode TWO definitely erases each time you re-record. Here it SEEMS to just pile on (could be wrong, but the density just kept getting thicker and thicker)



I'm just not sure I have a practical use for this? What to do with it? huh... (scratches head)
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Re: Count To Five

Postby mathias » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:18 am

Soundscapes and really careful overdubbing?
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Re: Count To Five

Postby ogguitar » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:30 am

Phuzzy856 wrote:Hey ogg... I know you from TGP, right? lol... this seems funny, haha!

Anyhow, ok, I spent a 2nd night with Mode3, and just read your description.

I guess my initial reaction is ... IS THAT IT???? At least, that's where I was getting last night. SO-

1) I record an '8 note riff' (slowish, @4sec)

DIR1 = forward, no Pitch fluctuation
DIR2 = Oct +1, forward
DIR3 = Oct -1, forward

OK, so now I hear the 'regular' one at regular speed, the +1 at double-speed, and the -1 at half-speed.

So, now I have all 3 secondary functions at '0'

DIR1 = speed at which the Repeats(?) cycle thru (kinda like Zellersasn?)

DIR2 = DO I HAVE TO QUANTIZE IN MODE2 (Transcendence), AND THEN GO TO MODE3- CUZ ALL THE 'NOTES' I'M GETTING BACK ARE ALL 'OUT OF TUNE'/TOTALLY RANDOM It literally sounds like scary Avant-Garde Classical music from the 60s! I just can't get ANY 'in tune' notes AT ALL?

DIR3 = I just can't tell 'where' on the dial the 2nd and 3rd Voices come in... sometimes it seems @10:00, sometimes @4:00.


I have been Muting DIR2 to see how 3 is functioning, and Muting DIR3 to see how 2 is functioning.


LOL, I NEED TO HEAR AN EXAMPLE OF ITS USE..





OVERDUBBING: It seemed to me that it just keep on overdubbing and overdubbing endlessly, until there was a BigMush. Mode TWO definitely erases each time you re-record. Here it SEEMS to just pile on (could be wrong, but the density just kept getting thicker and thicker)



I'm just not sure I have a practical use for this? What to do with it? huh... (scratches head)


haha yeah I'm on a few forums from my past gear quests. I don't really do any overdubbing, but I have used mode 3 a little - most often for reverse loops. It seems like some of the stuff you were describing was in the secondary functions Scott pointed out, which I honestly haven't really used tbh.

I'd suggest starting in mode 3 after powering up, click Q up once for the fifths and octaves option, set E to top position, DIR to unity (2:00ish?), and record a basic loop. It should play pretty normally. You can then speed it up or slow it down with DIR 1. The other knobs shouldn't do anything without holding the Q switch. Reset DIR 1 to unity when you're done, then click E to middle position with the loop still playing. You should hear the 2nd play head come in. DIR 2 should only control that one, and the pitches/speeds are independent of each other (i.e. running parallel rather than series). So you should be able to keep DIR 1 playing normally and find something whacky with DIR 2. DIR 3 won't activate until E is in the bottom position.

One setting I quite like with all 3 is looping a basic arpeggio with one head -1 oct reverse, the second one normal speed reverse, and the last +1 oct reverse. Clicking E to activate the different play heads makes for some interesting layering options. Hope this helps!
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Re: Count To Five

Postby multi_s » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:35 am

Phuzzy856 wrote:
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Hey ogg... I know you from TGP, right? lol... this seems funny, haha!

Anyhow, ok, I spent a 2nd night with Mode3, and just read your description.

I guess my initial reaction is ... IS THAT IT???? At least, that's where I was getting last night. SO-

1) I record an '8 note riff' (slowish, @4sec)

DIR1 = forward, no Pitch fluctuation
DIR2 = Oct +1, forward
DIR3 = Oct -1, forward

OK, so now I hear the 'regular' one at regular speed, the +1 at double-speed, and the -1 at half-speed.

So, now I have all 3 secondary functions at '0'

DIR1 = speed at which the Repeats(?) cycle thru (kinda like Zellersasn?)

DIR2 = DO I HAVE TO QUANTIZE IN MODE2 (Transcendence), AND THEN GO TO MODE3- CUZ ALL THE 'NOTES' I'M GETTING BACK ARE ALL 'OUT OF TUNE'/TOTALLY RANDOM It literally sounds like scary Avant-Garde Classical music from the 60s! I just can't get ANY 'in tune' notes AT ALL?

DIR3 = I just can't tell 'where' on the dial the 2nd and 3rd Voices come in... sometimes it seems @10:00, sometimes @4:00.


I have been Muting DIR2 to see how 3 is functioning, and Muting DIR3 to see how 2 is functioning.


LOL, I NEED TO HEAR AN EXAMPLE OF ITS USE..





OVERDUBBING: It seemed to me that it just keep on overdubbing and overdubbing endlessly, until there was a BigMush. Mode TWO definitely erases each time you re-record. Here it SEEMS to just pile on (could be wrong, but the density just kept getting thicker and thicker)



I'm just not sure I have a practical use for this? What to do with it? huh... (scratches head)


For Q up secondary functions ...

It is not the speed of the repeats on DIR 1, it is the rate of the LFO. The LFOs value then controls the speed of the repeats.

Q setting is global. IE you do not have to set it in one mode then go to another mode.

mode 2 and transcendence are 2 different things. "Mode 2" is referring to the patch used when the M switch is in the middle position.

Transcendence refers to a global setting which has some impact on how all 3 modes behave. you can read about it in more detail in the manual.

http://mtlasm.blogspot.com/p/count-to-5 ... mware.html

Also RE DIR 3 in mode 3 with Q up, i mispoke earlier. The heads get affected in reverse order, so min is no head affectected, then as you go clockwise first DIR 3 head is modulated, then 2 and 3, then 1 2 and 3. This is also mentioned in the manual linked above.


Also yes mode 2 there is no overdub. Mode 3 there is overdub, if you want to clear it you "tap" the record button instead of holding it.


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Re: Count To Five

Postby ogguitar » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 am

On a slightly different note, what patch cable connectors is everyone using with your CT5? Looking to possibly order some square plugs (SP-400) but don't wanna get something that won't fit. Also wanna avoid having one random as cable that's different from the rest.
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Re: Count To Five

Postby cosmicevan » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:21 am

ogguitar wrote:On a slightly different note, what patch cable connectors is everyone using with your CT5? Looking to possibly order some square plugs (SP-400) but don't wanna get something that won't fit. Also wanna avoid having one random as cable that's different from the rest.


I usually use switchcraft pancakes but w Ct5 you can't use both so I use switchcraft stubby ends to connect to count to 5
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Re: Count To Five

Postby mcatano » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:44 am

I am an idiot and despite having a blue CT5 and a 5th ann. CT5 there is a large stupid part of me that wants to order the "something new" JUST IN CASE IT IS THE MOST BEST ONE. I truly loathe myself.
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Re: Count To Five

Postby oldangelmidnight » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:43 pm

There's no mojo here.
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