TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted



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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby Jwar » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:05 pm

I honestly don't think the TAFM needs to be changed at all Brian. When I've had one, I love and use all the options. Each switch and knob is important. A Deluxe TAFM would be fucking KILLER though. One with two TAFM circuits or maybe one with an added filter with expression control. Makes for the moar synth. MOAR.

At any rate, change is good, but not for the TAFM IMO.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby oldangelmidnight » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:48 pm

I think short experimental runs would go over well with the crowd here.
Maybe build 4-6 of each and see how people use them?
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby goroth » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:31 am

As long as there is enough product differentiation I don't see why you can't have three versions. Subdecay is a good example of this - the Quantum Starlight or whatever the little flanger is called offers a really practical, grab and go flanger. The 1790 DLX version is a fucking beast. If they chose the feature set carefully they could definitely squeeze in another product there, giving more control over the basic sounds, in a relatively small package, but not going all gonzo. I think why it didn't work with their proteus/prometheus/prometheus DLX was partially a marketing thing, and partially that the differentiation wasn't all that clear between the versions, both price wise and feature wise.

I think you've done a super job with the Fuck - there are plenty of dudes who rock both, and I think you'd need to take a similar approach to the TAFM. Work out the key features that have to be there for it to be a TAFM, then give each version it's own personality so that theoretically you'd want to own all three.

TAFM is already pretty versatile in what it can do, so while I don't doubt that the tweaks offer a substantial increase in the amount of cool stuff you can do with a TAFM, I think it might need an extra feature to make it an obvious purchase - like jwarious says, a filter with expression would do it. I dunno how easy it is to sell the idea "hey, this fuzz is super versatile. But the deluxe version is even more versatile. In case super versatile like, wasn't enough". But "more versatile, more sounds, MOAR FILTERZ" = must buy.

That way the feature set for each TAFM would be really quite varied, and it'd be logical to own all three.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby smallsnd/bigsnd » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:48 pm

goroth wrote:As long as there is enough product differentiation I don't see why you can't have three versions. Subdecay is a good example of this - the Quantum Starlight or whatever the little flanger is called offers a really practical, grab and go flanger. The 1790 DLX version is a fucking beast. If they chose the feature set carefully they could definitely squeeze in another product there, giving more control over the basic sounds, in a relatively small package, but not going all gonzo. I think why it didn't work with their proteus/prometheus/prometheus DLX was partially a marketing thing, and partially that the differentiation wasn't all that clear between the versions, both price wise and feature wise.

I think you've done a super job with the Fuck - there are plenty of dudes who rock both, and I think you'd need to take a similar approach to the TAFM. Work out the key features that have to be there for it to be a TAFM, then give each version it's own personality so that theoretically you'd want to own all three.

TAFM is already pretty versatile in what it can do, so while I don't doubt that the tweaks offer a substantial increase in the amount of cool stuff you can do with a TAFM, I think it might need an extra feature to make it an obvious purchase - like jwarious says, a filter with expression would do it. I dunno how easy it is to sell the idea "hey, this fuzz is super versatile. But the deluxe version is even more versatile. In case super versatile like, wasn't enough". But "more versatile, more sounds, MOAR FILTERZ" = must buy.

That way the feature set for each TAFM would be really quite varied, and it'd be logical to own all three.


sure. the path i took with the fuck is pretty similar to what i'm thinking and what i plan on doing with the delay i've got coming and probably most of my releases. as for the TAFM, i think in my mind the idea was to just can the current version and make the smaller one cheaper (maybe around $150-ish) and the larger one a little more expensive (maybe around $200-ish) and with those price points i feel like a $175 version would be kind of unnecessary. therefore i wouldn't really need to "sell" people on the bigger version since they wouldn't have the option to get the current edition except on the used market.

all good thoughts and things to think about though, which is why i wanted to have a discourse with you folks. :hello:

jwar wrote:I honestly don't think the TAFM needs to be changed at all Brian. When I've had one, I love and use all the options. Each switch and knob is important.


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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby goroth » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:15 pm

Gotcha dude. Hope you don't take "sell" wrong, but I like the idea of selling a concept, selling an idea - not in monetary terms but in terms of "yep, I get what you're up to". Dunno, maybe it works better in Swedish. I love the dialogue that you and Ryan (Dr Sci) have via your forums - it's cool to follow an idea and see how someone you respect goes from idea to this little box that's on my pedal board. Although there's always the risk at ILF that you're preaching to the choir...
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby smallsnd/bigsnd » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:34 pm

goroth wrote:Gotcha dude. Hope you don't take "sell" wrong, but I like the idea of selling a concept, selling an idea - not in monetary terms but in terms of "yep, I get what you're up to". Dunno, maybe it works better in Swedish. I love the dialogue that you and Ryan (Dr Sci) have via your forums - it's cool to follow an idea and see how someone you respect goes from idea to this little box that's on my pedal board. Although there's always the risk at ILF that you're preaching to the choir...
SSBS: Hay guyz, would you like more switches?
ILF: YEAH YEAH; FUCKEN SWITCHES, YEAH!
SSBS: Ok, but if I made a fuzz that was a little bit more
(interrupts) ILF: SHUT UP, MORE IS GOOD. YEAH, MORE!
SSBS: Ok cool. What about a smal..
(interrupting again): WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT. SMALLER STUFF MEANS MORE ROOM TO PUT MORE FUZZ ON PEDALBOARD
SSBS: But I was actually talking about a del..
ILF: FUZZY REPEATS!


nah i didn't take it the wrong way.
Meanwhile over at TWOILF (the world outside of ILF)
Um... Brian just released 12 new pedals, and I don't understand shit? Are they delays? All of them? But they fuzz*... ?
Let's go to TGP and by a Klon
Ok.


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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby Tristan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:23 pm

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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby Eric! » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:47 pm

I am of the mind that this is a silly process.

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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby sylnau » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:27 pm

Bias should be on the smaller one too.
A Fuzz Face circuit without a bias knob is less interesting.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby goosekevin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:26 am

i think the tafm is perfect as it is and energy would be better spent on filters and delays!
but i would definitely not be opposed to getting a second smaller tafm either
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby smallsnd/bigsnd » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:35 pm

tomlane95 wrote:i think the tafm is perfect as it is and energy would be better spent on filters and delays!
but i would definitely not be opposed to getting a second smaller tafm either


yeah i feel like my energy is better spent on other stuff too, at least for the moment!
i've got this idea on the backburner though.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby julius_deane » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:40 am

Hmm what do you know. I always though the TAFM was a muff. Oh well.
But yes, I agree that new stuff is the way to go. It excites me to see the ILF builders that are usually just doing dirt branch out into other things: Tom's trem, BOE's reverb, DC's ARF, SS/BS doing a delay, etc.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby elevenstrings » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:07 am

brian - please do the gate toggle on the 125b version.
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby 01010111 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:43 pm

I thought there was always going to be a mini version? My two cents: a mini version's a good idea, and I'd prefer to have the controls: volume, input gain, fuzz, shape, mids toggle. I'm indifferent about the gate toggle. Are internal switches an option?
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Re: TAFM thoughts and musings - opinions wanted

Postby Bellyheart » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:23 pm

I liked the format of hawk. Switches for two settings which is usually the amount of setting per knobs for my preference. Two or three knobs and some three or two way switches. It also looks clean. The hawk and the Fairfield unpleasant surprise are two of the sexiest pedals I've encountered.

Do like the model of deluxe/small. Please make it happen.
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