DIY Info Collection.



Moderator: Ghost Hip

Forum rules
The DIY forum is for personal projects (things that are not for sale, not in production), info sharing, peer to peer assistance. No backdoor spamming (DIY posts that are actually advertisements for your business). No clones of in-production pedals. If you have concerns or questions, feel free to PM admin. Thanks so much!

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:02 pm

Well alot of the books on Amazon go for stupid amounts of money, there was a thread on here with some downloadable E books if you can find it, but i'l add a list of the Popular books a bit later.

Regards the theory, the books are pretty good for that sorta stuff, Geofex which is listed in the links has lots of information on it if you search for it, it's difficult to find a begginer level of theory the best way I found was to jump in and start messing about with circuits and then it begins to come to you and then you begin to understand the information that seemed to make no sense before.

The simplest sort of mods that can transfer to alot of things will be changing the type of diodes in a circuit for a different type of clipping (e.g. changing the 1N4148 diodes to 3mm Red LEDs in a Proco Rat will make it louder with a more compressed sound) changing the chips/ transistors in circuits for different ones.

The best thing to do is buy a breadboard, build a circuit and alter all the values and see what differences it makes, you'll learn alot faster doing in electronics than reading i'd say but i'l try and add some info on this sort of reading later.
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Carl_Hungus » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:36 pm

Gotcha. Do you agree with Beavis then that kits are the best way to start getting your hands dirty, assuming you don't have any pedals you want to risk trashing? Or is it better to buy some cheap Bosses and start modding first?
Thanks again man.
Logjammin'......
Carl_Hungus

User avatar
involved
involved
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:45 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:46 pm

Interesting question about modding... I wouldn't start with a Boss as alot of them are quite complex inside, I think a good thing to buy would be a cheap tube screamer clone, there are alot out there and they're very easy to mod with plenty of info on doing it.

The Beavis Board is very good though and there are alot of circuits to try, you can have it cheaper if you want to source the stuff yourself and build it up but it's certainly a useful tool, modding a pedal that already works could be easier or harder really, I think i'd have to reccomend the Beavis board as there is no initial soldering required, the circuits are already layed out for you and have mod information and it's very easy to correct mistakes also and to mod a pre built pcb you're gunna have to be careful with your soldering.

Also if you mod a pre built pedal, you're gunna have trouble changing parts easily unless you socket them so you're not going to know what's going to sound good to you, going straight off online mods could result in a pedal you don't like.

If you get some protoboard or veroboard though you can quickly practice your soldering and get the hang of it and then modding your own pedals can be very rewarding and done extremley cheaply, then you can start making those mods switchable and trying your own mods, to try your own mods though it'd be best to build the circuit on breadboard for ease of component swapping anyway.

I hope that makes sense, but breadboard is my overall reccomendation, I see you're located in the U.K a good supplier of components is www.bitsbox.co.uk they stock all the basic guitar pedal electronics and gear you'll need to get started and do lots of value packs for building up your supply of stuff for breadboard experimentation etc.
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Carl_Hungus » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:02 pm

You're a king, Scruffie. :thumb:
Thanks yet again for the info. Especially ofr the supplier in the UK, I was wondering about those. I think Banzai Musical probably ships here as well.
Logjammin'......
Carl_Hungus

User avatar
involved
involved
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:45 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:40 pm

Carl_Hungus wrote:You're a king, Scruffie. :thumb:
Thanks yet again for the info. Especially ofr the supplier in the UK, I was wondering about those. I think Banzai Musical probably ships here as well.


Banzai do but I hear bad things, apparently it can take up to 3 weeks for delivery, the prices are high and they miss alot of stuff out and don't reply to emails, that is only what i've heard though.

Futurlec will ship to the U.K I just got an order from them it took 2 weeks (comes from asia) but the prices are very cheap and it's only $4 shipping for smaller orders.

Other U.K suppliers include maplin & rapid but they have high prices and high postage charges (unless you live near a maplins) as do mouser and farnell (both of whom have hard to navigate sites)

And as you're in London you might be able to get to Cricklewood electronics, they have a good stock of some harder to come by parts.
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby kosta » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:34 pm

Just chiming in to say thanks to you Scruffie. This is all great stuff. I'm hoping to start building some projects soon. Very excited about all of this. Thanks for all of the info so far.
Object Object : Bandcamp | Soundcloud
A lil dreamy, a lil noisy.
kosta

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 5362
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:00 am
Location: New York, NY

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Carl_Hungus » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:47 pm

Scruffie,

Have you gotten a Beavis Board sent to you here in the UK, or any of the kits they recommend, by any chance? Just wondering how it all went with customs, or if there is a UK equivalent. Would really like the Beavis Board, but haven't been able to reach them.

cheers!
Logjammin'......
Carl_Hungus

User avatar
involved
involved
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:45 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:26 pm

Carl_Hungus wrote:Scruffie,

Have you gotten a Beavis Board sent to you here in the UK, or any of the kits they recommend, by any chance? Just wondering how it all went with customs, or if there is a UK equivalent. Would really like the Beavis Board, but haven't been able to reach them.

cheers!

No I haven't had one sent, reason being is if you take the time, it can be cheaper to assemble something simmilar yourself.

However when i've ordered from abroad, customs have never gotten involved in about 10 times even when I had an entire guitar body shipped from the U.S. (doesn't mean it can't happen though I suppose)

If you were to assemble something yourself (which can be done easily with the info on Beavis site) go to the bitsbox site I linked, grab 2 breadboards, a bitsbox, a multi resistor, cap & trani pack a few jacks... a plank of wood to mount on... you get the idea.

If you want cheaper parts than bitsbox i've found www.futurlec.com to have very cheap parts and cheap U.K shipping and mutli packs available.

If you want ease though, people from other countries have ordered the Beavis board so i'm sure it'll be fine and I wouldn't worry too much about customs, can't cost that much anyway if it is charged.
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby elbandito » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:43 pm

this needs to be sticky'd. :poke:
superheavyFUNK
Fuzczk & F!zz

I am ELBAN, THE TROLL SLAYER!!!!
- fide fuzz semper fidelis - ILF downtime 2011 on FB veteran


hey, i'm cool! follow me on twitter: @ricardo_bandito
elbandito

User avatar
FAMOUS
FAMOUS
 
Posts: 1807
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:13 pm
Location: Toronto via Montreal

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby nbabmf » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:50 am

I have a Facebook group called "I love the smell of solder in the morning"

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=inf ... 7752242282
Image

I love the smell of solder in the morning.

Successful dealings with: blooghost, starcastic, bronzetalon, theavondon, absent, jero, sevenSHARPnine, magiclawnchair, oldangelmidnight, and others that I can't remember lol
nbabmf

User avatar
experienced
experienced
 
Posts: 890
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:43 am
Location: San Diego, CA

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Nychthemeron » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:24 am

Something that I've never understood is how different chips work. I know that the PT2399 is good for delay and pitch modulation, but I don't understand why circuits work the way they do. How do you know when you're making a delay where you should put a pot for delay time and what value it should be. Do you just have to experiment mostly, or is it easier?

Then again, I still have no experience building circuits, so I may just sound like a complete moron right now.
Do you like listening to homemade music? Me too. Why don't you try one of mine?

Current ILF Love: OHNOHO CHK CHK BOOM, Mellowtone Melx Fuzz 2, EQD Dream Crusher, Devi Ever ID, Dr. Scientist Proto-Miniberator - new vids eventually

some mysteries are best unsolved
Nychthemeron

User avatar
IAMILF
IAMILF
 
Posts: 2817
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:39 pm
Location: CA & MD

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:03 pm

Nychthemeron wrote:Something that I've never understood is how different chips work. I know that the PT2399 is good for delay and pitch modulation, but I don't understand why circuits work the way they do. How do you know when you're making a delay where you should put a pot for delay time and what value it should be. Do you just have to experiment mostly, or is it easier?

Then again, I still have no experience building circuits, so I may just sound like a complete moron right now.

It's an interesting point and I know what you mean, you can go through life without knowing those things though and still get on fine, it takes many years of learning to actually understand what's going on inside them as far as I know... something I haven't personally done, I prefer to learn through experience.

With something like the PT2399 which is a digital chip, the datasheet basically tells you the basic design (which it needs to function) and then you take it from there.

For chips all you need to know is the datasheet then you can add things around it to make it more desiriable to your needs, the datasheet will tell you the function of the chip, looking at the PT2399 it tells us, the chip is designed for Echo/Delay and what not, perhaps I want it to sound more analogue so perhaps i'll add some high or low pass filtering to voice it that way.

So without learning... it's a paint by numbers system, experiment, see what happens, look at how other designs implement something, look at ways of doing what you invision adding to the sound, learn the theories & terminologies then get your breadboard out and try!
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby elbandito » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:58 am

I found a very clear and concise step-by-step tutorial on soldering perf boards. Nice pics!
http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/Tutorials/SolderingAPerfBoard
superheavyFUNK
Fuzczk & F!zz

I am ELBAN, THE TROLL SLAYER!!!!
- fide fuzz semper fidelis - ILF downtime 2011 on FB veteran


hey, i'm cool! follow me on twitter: @ricardo_bandito
elbandito

User avatar
FAMOUS
FAMOUS
 
Posts: 1807
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:13 pm
Location: Toronto via Montreal

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby Scruffie » Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:47 am

elbandito wrote:I found a very clear and concise step-by-step tutorial on soldering perf boards. Nice pics!
http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/Tutorials/SolderingAPerfBoard


Smooth :thumb: , forgot about updating this, added that link to the main post and i'll try and get some more info on here (i'll add vero tutorials, and making layouts tommorow)... anything anyone feels is particularly missing or they'd like to see?
Scruffie

User avatar
Admin
Admin
 
Posts: 4348
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:46 pm
Location: London.. ish, Uk

Re: DIY Info Collection.

Postby moose23 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:49 pm

Just to chime, I've never had a problem with Banzai, generally does take about a week to be shipped. In the UK bitsbox and rapidonline are both worth a look. Rapid do free shipping to mainland uk too which is great. There's also musikding and uk-electronic who both sell really good value kits as well as plenty of components. I'd generally start with rapid for most components and then banzai or one of the others for more specialised pedal stuff.

https://www.rapidonline.com/
http://www.bitsbox.co.uk/
http://www.musikding.de/
http://uk-electronic.de/

Some reading materials:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24053844/basic-Audio

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15818874/Valve-Amplifiers-Third-Edition

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15887683/Morgan-Jones-Building-Valve-Amplifier

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15887683/Morgan-Jones-Building-Valve-Amplifier

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19400164/Mullard-Circuits-for-Audio-Amplifiers

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14830016/Analog-Electronics-Second-Edition

http://www.scribd.com/doc/25188476/The-Art-of-Electronics
moose23

User avatar
experienced
experienced
 
Posts: 643
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:58 am

PreviousNext

Return to DIY Effects



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


Sponsored Ad. (Please no inflated/repetitive clicking. Thanks!)

Advertisements help support ILF


ilovefuzz.com is not responsible for user-submitted content. Users participate at their own discretion and risk.