INFANEM the driving notion clone



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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby digi2t » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:16 am

ianmarks wrote:I was stoked to see it not having to be put in one of those deep 1590bb enclosures that I never have enough of! Having build at least a dozen deadendfx projects I can say that they really strive to explain everything well in the build doc. I would also add that Dino has been a gentleman when it comes to email correspondence and helping me debug a situation or two that was of course my error.

Ibarakishi commissioned me to build one forever ago and I will gladly be matching Dino's generous offer so that our ILF brother will never go without his beloved pedal again!


Well, thank you for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. While I realize that our build docs may not be on par with say, Aion (killer build docs), we do our best with the time we have available. Of course, builder input is always important, and we do our best to adjust to valid concerns and constructive criticism.

New boards are now a few days out. Just got the email from the fab house. If Iba is fine with a Plain Jane aluminium enclosure (I find doing enclosure artwork tedious and pointless), then I'm good with sending him the first clone. If he would prefer something more... elaborate, then perhaps someone could jump in with the enclosure. I could send the populated board, with footswitch, LED, and long off board wires to them, they could house it, and then forward it to Iba.

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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby ibarakishi » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:37 am

digi2t wrote:
ianmarks wrote:I was stoked to see it not having to be put in one of those deep 1590bb enclosures that I never have enough of! Having build at least a dozen deadendfx projects I can say that they really strive to explain everything well in the build doc. I would also add that Dino has been a gentleman when it comes to email correspondence and helping me debug a situation or two that was of course my error.

Ibarakishi commissioned me to build one forever ago and I will gladly be matching Dino's generous offer so that our ILF brother will never go without his beloved pedal again!


Well, thank you for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. While I realize that our build docs may not be on par with say, Aion (killer build docs), we do our best with the time we have available. Of course, builder input is always important, and we do our best to adjust to valid concerns and constructive criticism.

New boards are now a few days out. Just got the email from the fab house. If Iba is fine with a Plain Jane aluminium enclosure (I find doing enclosure artwork tedious and pointless), then I'm good with sending him the first clone. If he would prefer something more... elaborate, then perhaps someone could jump in with the enclosure. I could send the populated board, with footswitch, LED, and long off board wires to them, they could house it, and then forward it to Iba.

The ball is in Ibarakishi's court. :poke:


All my pedals other than digital ones (ditto and zoom) are either all solid black, aluminium, or rusted metal. So it would actually excited me more that it is just pure aluminium. I will obviously be happy to compensate you whatever you need for it though (even if its just the cost of parts and shipping at the absolute minimum, i know first hand what its like to run an independent business with your own two hands and sweat) , as i don't think anyone needs to be out of money for this thing. Once things get closer to being finished on your end then you can let me know and i can give you my personal information when it is needed. I will still be commissioning a pedal from ianmarks as well as planned, because i want a few of these in my life and because i use it so often for everything (one for studio recording use, one to put permanently on a live board, etc.). Again, im just really thankful that people are seeing this through and in the process aren't leaving me to drown. It means a lot.

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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby digi2t » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:19 am

No worries. I'll report back as soon as I have it assembled and working to some semblance of my satisfaction. Actually, once it's together, I'll be able to do a proper side-by-side A/B video. If it meets with your approval, I'll hit you up for the shipping deets and send it.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby ibarakishi » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:22 am

sounds great, can't wait to see them side by side. from your initial video, it sounds pretty close to what i remember it would normally sound like through non-lace pickups. completely changes character once you use it with lace alumitones
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby taco satori » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:24 pm

goroth wrote:That sounds pretty bloody good Dino! The overall tone is really similar, at least when filtered via Youtube's algorithms. The gain is, as you pointed out, quite a bit lower, but tbh I quite like that. The reason I didn't buy one way back when is that I always wanted it to go lower gain than it did. The mods sound pretty rad as well!


I agree completely. This is the closest sounding of all the clones / workalikes presented in this thread. I would add that one DN I bought during Infanem’s $99 sale sounded a bit hotter as far as the ‘In’ setting than one I bought secondhand when I A/B’d them. Not sure if components slightly differed between the two models. The hotter one was also plagued with the usual Infanem construction issues, so I hardly used it except to baby and leave on.

I use this pedal at lower gain settings and favoring the Low side of the circuit, the knob for which is below noon, so even if the potential input gain is less than stock, this still is gonna be incredibly useful! The mods are thoughtful, too.

As a member of the pedal-building laity, I will totally throw down for one if someone decides to make a couple.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby eatyourguitar » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:13 pm

digi2t wrote:- The most important element is "niche". You need to occupy a space where as few toes are being stepped on as possible.

the irony of this is that you showed up when this project started to say that you already had the schematic but you would not share and you would not sell PCB's. I took you on your word and I understand your reasons for running your business any way you want. I believe your exact words were something like "that pedal sucks and I would not waste my time releasing a PCB for sale". so taking you on your word and respecting your decision to not sell this PCB, I also invested my time into tracing it. I had some difficulty getting it right which is totally not your fault but when I got stuck half way through I figured I would ask you for help again through your website. I made the case that I am completely out of business and it is what it is but I care a lot about the guy who donated his pedal to this project who is over a year without his pedal. I tried to explain to you that if I am already agreeing to non-compete with you, and I am bankrupt in the pedal business, what is the harm in helping me help the guy who has been waiting over a year for his pedal? you just ghost my email no reply? that is pretty messed up that you swoop in to look like the hero when you never cared about OP the whole time. all you cared about was proprietary, competition, and profit. that's fine and I don't have a problem with anyone running a business. but I think it is time to air out what really happened and how competitive you are because people seem to think that you are some kind of philanthropist. the truth is you will lie and step on anyones toes if it increases your profit. you don't even have time to reply to my email to tell me that you are planning on copying me after my project started getting attention. I was the first one to make a PCB. you were the second. after your PCB is released, everyone will have the schematic and there are two people that can sell it. I'm glad I'm out of business so I don't need to go this low just to stay in business.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby eatyourguitar » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:18 pm

oh yeah and this PCB to mount the jacks arrived.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby oldangelmidnight » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:15 am

EYG, there's no shame in bowing out. We saw that you did your best and it didn't work out.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby digi2t » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:22 pm

Update...

Board is populated, except for the two C5K pots, which I am hoping will arrive this week. In the meantime, I've faked them with two 5k1 resistors and jumpers, just so I can verify the voltages. Everything voltage-wise is right in the wheelhouse. Sound-wise, the "turns your neck into aluminium" that goroth so aptly described is definitely there. Kind of like the uber-brightness of new strings on your guitar... all the time. I have two transistors in sockets at the moment, and they seem to perform fine, but I have some SMD units on their way along with the pots that I want to try. Just to try and reduce the potential "transistor rolling" that this circuit requires otherwise. "Thick" switch caps have been defined, and work really well with lower Low pot settings. Makes the High side nice and growly at two different frequency ranges.

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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby eatyourguitar » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:24 pm

oldangelmidnight wrote:EYG, there's no shame in bowing out. We saw that you did your best and it didn't work out.

I did not give up. I slowed it down waiting for more information to come in regarding cap values. apparently everyone is waiting for someone else to confirm the design (myself included). I was also waiting for this jack PCB to arrive which it did. my only problem is that I want this clone to be correct so I need to know if the 1uF ceramic caps being changed to 100nF is correct. I am also considering using 220nF in my build to average it out. deadendfx claims to be holding on to all the answers since day 1. so far I have open sourced my schematic and other members in the community have all worked on this project. deadendfx takes advantage of all the open source information posted by people helping with this project. in return we get pay walled. my PCB's are still available by PM but I guess no one wants them if he spams the thread saying his version is better.

so should I wait for the deadendfx pcb to be released so i can then read the correct cap values? should I give up? should I rush to build the pedal I owe OP? also, what about the stack of PCB's I have here that would not exist if deadendfx told the truth. I was told that I would be the only one offering the INFANEM driving notion and so I took the job planning on this business venture being profitable. it is now a total loss because someone lied to me, copied me, and spammed their business in my thread. thanks. not a big deal because this is the last project I am involved in. but damn, what a sour greedy conclusion.

the idea of not sharing a schematic because it is proprietary goes out the window as soon as you start selling a PCB. there is no trademark at this point and so as he said in his own words, there is no honor among thieves. except in my case, I have actually conformed to the ILF official forum rules "thou shalt not clone in production pedals from other guitar pedal businesses or ILF members". I also have posted as open source every single project I have ever done with the exception of contract work I do not own rights to.
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Re: INFANEM the driving notion clone

Postby hmshmchl » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:25 am

I just found this thread and read all 26 pages. What a journey. I'm keen to pick up the DeadEnd PCB when it's ready - hopefully they included their mods too?
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