Man the doom movement was really disappointing.



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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby retinal orbita » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:05 pm

There should be a fucking doom metal tinder for finding bands. So many bands and so many tick boxes. Riffs? Vocals? Production? # of times the singer says “YEAH!!!!!”, amp to riff ratio, usage of occult themes, validity of the band name, etc

Tits or a hot rod car on the cover? Swipe left asshole!

Bad rock with “occult themes” and a keyboard? Swipe left asshole!

Going for Kyuss but you sound like Creed? Swipe left asshole!

A band name like Bong Wizard of Druid Weed Mountain Yeti? Swipe left asshole!

You say doom, I say uninspired post rock with a weed leaf on the cover? Swipe left asshole!! BLOCKED.

I constantly use my wife’s Spotify account to try new bands and I’m routinely put off by the sheer number of uninspired Sword clones. Y’all remember when Church of Misery was good? Fuck I was listening to Master of Brutality on the way to Home Depot today, that record fucking RIPS.

Hey, at least BONGZILLA are BACK and writing new material. If they put out a record in 2018 I’d praise the bong witch who lives in the lizard mountain or whatever.....
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:59 am

Bongzilla are tremendous. Saw church of misery earlier this year and they were lovely. New Thou record sometime this year too, I believe.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby Corey Y » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:51 am

In general I don't like weed themed bands/music, even though I've been into "stoner rock" or "stoner metal" and "stoner/doom" for decades. I enjoy the whole universe of bands vaguely (and sometimes nonsensically) grouped together in these genres, the same way I enjoy "classic rock" or "punk" or "metal" or "blues" or "grunge", but in reality I probably dislike 90-99% of the bands in those genres. That being said, I do immensely enjoy both Weedeater and Bongzilla, so there's always exceptions. I try not to discount bands based solely on belonging to a type of sub-genre or having some specific trapping, there's always that rare one that ends up being really good despite those things.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby $harkToootth » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:04 am

I'm with you Corey. Usually not into "paraphernalia-core" but their are great exceptions to the rule. BONGZILLA being the exception for me.
I am eagerly awaiting the new THOU. Was there a release last year? I need to dive head first into their releases.

So, we're excited for stuff...maybe not so disappointing?
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby Corey Y » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:09 am

To be fair, I'm the type of person that listens to one good album from a band for years (or a decade or more sometimes) and then goes "huh, do they have any new stuff?". There are some albums I still think of as "new" that came out 10 years ago. Deep, low and slow music...deep, low and slow lifestyle.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby $harkToootth » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:24 am

How did everybody get into 'doom' (I'm using the term broadly). I've always loved music but when I was younger my main focus was film. I got into SLEEP because of the film GUMMO (the cat hunting scene where the play 'Dragonaut'). It went from the opening riff me going "Ohhh" to the main power chords and I was like, "What...is...this...".

I made the speculation that a lot of people (like me) enjoy feedback from when you first start playing guitar, you just hit the open string and use crummy amps as distortion. Eventually growing to like droning sounds.

As an addendum: I always loved heavier music but that was based around death metal, black metal, thrash, and crust punk. So hearing those slowed down riffs was so different to what I was listening to at the time.

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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby Corey Y » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:50 am

I was into stuff like Crowbar and Corrosion of Conformity in the 90's (not Pantera though, never liked them). Same with Melvins, because of a loose connection with bands like TAD and other grunge stuff I was into. I was also into punk and hardcore, particularly the more weird strains, and grew up a couple hours drive south of the SF bay area. So I would hear about and find records from kind of weird offbeat bands. Eventually through all those bands and some associated bands I found others like Acid Bath, Buzzov-en...then Acid King and Sleep...then a handful of stoner rock bands like Fu Manchu and Nebula, at the same time I got into some sludge bands like Brainoil, Cruevo, found Neurosis. I got into High On Fire when they came out with their first album, because I had been listening to Sleep. I found a bunch of more extreme doom metal bands from the early days of doom-metal.com and stoner rock bands on the old stonerrock.com forums. I found Small Stone Records, which had a lot of cool rock and sludge type bands, connected a lot of dots between different bands I like (I loved Avail, I like Alabama Thunderpussy, found out one dude was in both bands, checked out what other stuff he was involved in, etc.). EHG through COC, Crowbar and Buzzoven, Church of Misery through Acid King, on and on. I kind of got into every weird corner of all these genres separately in the 90's and then they all somehow managed to be loosely related to each other, according to the internet. I got into trad doom metal, stoner rock, stoner metal, weird heavy hardcore and punk stuff and some of the bluesy classic rock style revival bands, sludge and a lot of the weird in between genre bands all kind of separately and then there was a lot of overlap and connection.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby gnomethrone » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:32 am

I remember being in middle school and going to a record store with my mom and digging through the stacks. She found an old used copy of Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs and got this kinda 1000 yard stare while I assume being transported back to her youth in southern california in the heavy 70's. I was like "uh mom?" and she told me to buy the record lol.

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From the harsher side of things I always liked the obligatory slow jam on grind records like Napalm Death's The Curse or Phobia's Chemical Fear. The first slow heavy song I ever wrote was for my old crust band. I wanted to kinda troll my friends for riding Sleep's dick so hard so I did a slow dadrock / bluesy doom song called "Bongloads In Valhalla" that I would end sets with. The joke was on me cause it ended up being my favorite song to play live and totally changed how I wanted to play guitar. :whateva:
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby Corey Y » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:03 pm

gnomethrone wrote:From the harsher side of things I always liked the obligatory slow jam on grind records like Napalm Death's The Curse or Phobia's Chemical Fear. The first slow heavy song I ever wrote was for my old crust band. I wanted to kinda troll my friends for riding Sleep's dick so hard so I did a slow dadrock / bluesy doom song called "Bongloads In Valhalla" that I would end sets with. The joke was on me cause it ended up being my favorite song to play live and totally changed how I wanted to play guitar. :whateva:


This weirdly reminds me of how my old punk band started. I had been in a band with the guitar player, that broke up because of issues with the singer. The drummer of that band decided to stick with the singer and we both didn't really have a band for almost a year. I had a friend who played guitar in grindcore bands and he had been practicing drums and wanted to play in a band. We all got together and jammed at this farmhouse in the middle of nowhere my wife and I used to live in right after we got married. We were just fucking around and we ended up tuning down and doing this really heavy, slow, Melvins-esque riffing. We were joking around about it and my buddy said "the name of a song that sounds like that would be something stupid like 'The Baby Jesus Don't Gimme No Shit'. So we just started doing group chanting/shouting vocals over it, with extended jams in between and eventually threw in modulation and delay pedals and got real weird. When that ended we were all kind of euphoric and laughing about how fun it was and I was saying "THIS IS THE FUCKING BAND GUYS" and the universal response was "Ha...nope. We're doing a straight forward punk band". And we did...and I wrote all the songs...and I didn't really like it that much...and we did that band for like 6 years and I was unsuccessfully trying to start a heavy band on the side the whole time.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:18 pm

$harkToootth wrote:How did everybody get into 'doom' (I'm using the term broadly). I've always loved music but when I was younger my main focus was film. I got into SLEEP because of the film GUMMO (the cat hunting scene where the play 'Dragonaut'). It went from the opening riff me going "Ohhh" to the main power chords and I was like, "What...is...this...".

I made the speculation that a lot of people (like me) enjoy feedback from when you first start playing guitar, you just hit the open string and use crummy amps as distortion. Eventually growing to like droning sounds.

As an addendum: I always loved heavier music but that was based around death metal, black metal, thrash, and crust punk. So hearing those slowed down riffs was so different to what I was listening to at the time.

Anyone else?


In directly chronological sense, I bought a copy of Paranoid when I was 10. :lol:
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby retinal orbita » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:56 pm

$harkToootth wrote:How did everybody get into 'doom'


Sabbath via my Dad 1991 (also through Ugly Kid Joe when they covered Sweet Leaf :lol: )

Eyehategod/Corrupted/Grief/Noothgrush/Sleep via hardcore scene 1996

Burning Witch via Slap a Ham "Towers" LP 1996 (I traded with Chris a few times in the 90's and he couldn't give these away)

Then funeral doom, drone doom, death-doom, more generic stoner rock, then "heavy rock"/Pagan Altar craze of the mid 2000's, then "true doom" elitist shit of the mid 2000's (thankfully this attitude seems to have died out), now basically I listen to Reverend Bizarre, Bongzilla, old Church of Misery, Sabbath, Khanate, etc....
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:20 pm

You know who gets slept on way hard?

Sons of Otis. Ahead of their time.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby Corey Y » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:37 pm

D.o.S. wrote:You know who gets slept on way hard?

Sons of Otis. Ahead of their time.


Hell yeah, Sons of Otis are a great band. I think I found out about them from the old stoner-rock.com forums. Definitely one of those bands that did their own thing, mostly under the radar, for a long time and brought a lot of various elements from across genres together in a seamless way.
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Re: Man the doom movement was really disappointing.

Postby $harkToootth » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:36 pm

D.o.S. wrote:You know who gets slept on way hard?

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