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Convoluted Messages in Anarchism!

Postby lordgalvar » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:16 pm

Or something?

Anyway, post your favorite/obscure Anarcho bands from all over the world. I dunno, if black metal gets one, anarcho punk should too. Crust and gothy stuff ok! It's about the spirit, man.





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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:22 pm

I will get these out of the way:




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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:42 pm

http://trashedy.bandcamp.com - used to host a blog that hosted the official Cress albums (when I talked to them last year, they refused to sell merch or albums or anything...you know, anti-capitalism and all) and a ton of good Anarcho music, but he took it down (I guess). I will keep an eye out.

Other Good Sites:
http://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk
http://www.overgroundrecords.co.uk
http://www.allthemadmen.co.uk
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby neonblack » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:59 pm

So do these anti capitalism punx steal or build their gear? Or is gear an exception?
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:22 am

well they're one syllable away from being super rad so I thin keverhything's up for grabs.
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:22 am

neonblack wrote:So do these anti capitalism punx steal or build their gear? Or is gear an exception?


Stolen, donated or part of a collective I'd imagine. I felt it was a little weird honestly. Like they gotta have money to eat and travel to shows right? But I guess the squat and dumpster dive fnb style. He basically told me that when they toured the US they had shirts for sale to get them to the next town and that was an exception. It was a very awkward conversation.
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby kaeth » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:27 am

If it's about the spirit and not the sound, The KLF is the best example I can possibly think of.

They were invited to play the BRIT awards. They brought Extreme Noise Terror as their backing band without telling anyone, Bill Drummond fired blanks from a machine gun into the audience, and later rolled a dead sheep onto the steps as they left.

In 1993 Rachel Whiteread won the £20,000 Turner gallery prize for Best British Artist. The KLF awarded her a £40,000 prize for being the Worst British Artist, and threatened to set it on fire if she didn't collect.

They used to often play pre-recorded tracks instead of live sets. During one show they left the stage and drove a van through the crowd to hand out free ice cream. During another, they asked for their £1000 fee in £1 bills, and threw it all into the audience from the rafters. At yet another, during the performance, they disassembled the equipment, most of which belonged to the club, and handed it off to the audience piece by piece until the room went silent.

They took £1,000,000 - the entirety of their profits as the KLF - and burned it. They wrote a contract on the side of their van not to speak about the act for 23 years, and then pushed the van off the side of a cliff. They proceeded to destroy their back-catalogue as well.

Bill Drummond went on to create The17 which is a music ensemble of sorts that writes scores, and never records anything, ever. The scores don't really contain any musical notation at all. They're just written instructions on how to perform the piece. Many of them are written by school children.

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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:29 am

Been sayin' that for years man. KLF is awesome. Posted about them a lot and my wife doesn't let me talk about them anymore. :lol:

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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby daseb » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:05 am

KLF were so rad.

edit: just realise Glaspers 'the day the country died' got covered.

It's the kind of music I respect a lot but tend to lean towards the heavier side of the unwashed spectrum. That said I really used to love one of those Countdown to Putsch records. Can't find it on youtube.

Used to love this album too, which was about as far as I dipped my toe into that late 90s / early 00's anarcho stuff. Have a feeling it wouldn't hold up now but like...as an active participant in this shit for a long time I've got some pretty strong biases haha.

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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:02 pm

lordgalvar wrote:
neonblack wrote:So do these anti capitalism punx steal or build their gear? Or is gear an exception?


Stolen, donated or part of a collective I'd imagine. I felt it was a little weird honestly. Like they gotta have money to eat and travel to shows right? But I guess the squat and dumpster dive fnb style. He basically told me that when they toured the US they had shirts for sale to get them to the next town and that was an exception. It was a very awkward conversation.


It's like anything else, you can take it to an extreme and hold everyone to an impossible standard but ultimately that's about a thousand times less productive than it could be as far as sharing the message and the ideas.

KLF are a band I've always loved reading about and never really cared to listen to. I heard of them before I got my hands on some RAW and it all made perfect sense.
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:56 pm

I feel that a lot of the 90s and 00s stuff is kinda weaker. A.P.P.L.E., Resist and Exist, etc. were never my favorites. Nausea is good stuff though and I used to listen to Submission Hold with some friends but forgot about 'em.

Cress were bullshitting me a little bit. All their buds had shirts and I know their records have print runs. But yea, totally agree that they kinda just took it to a silly extreme "for cred" or something.

KLF is good stuff but I prefer the ambient stuff like Chill Out. The White Room was to prove a point. Most of the hits were stolen and sold back into the machine. I do enjoy the stadium house trilogy now and again because it is just dumb fun. Also love all the Illuminatus! stuff. "It's Cold Up North" and stuff I could do without. As far as I am concerned though, Gorillaz and Daft Punk took a lot from KLF/JAMS/TIMELORDS (sampling, total artistic conceptualization (because there ain't much to see with a guy and a sequencer), grooves from well-known popular sources, etc). I know other bands did similar stuff, but it just seems like a more direct lineage. I do think KLF is the best of those three (but Daft Punk have their moments).

I think KLF's actions were in the spirit of Conflict's A-Team, Thatchergate, "Our Wedding", etc. but 10 years later when globalization and other fears took the place of the Cold War (well, in part). I think there was some Warhol "What makes art art" stuff being asked by them (mocking up a song to known selling points from other songs, is that art?). They wrote a book essentially laying out how to make music that sells and it works well (but it's a slippery slope between pursuing marketing angles for art? at what point to you become skrillex or fallout boy or whatever?).

I dunno. KLF is fun (and sometimes lame, but still fun). Not going to saw the music is the greatest thing or anything...
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby D.o.S. » Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:01 pm

Yeah I think the Internet kind of 86'd a lot of the more postmodern-y parts of their message, particularly when it comes to the fluidity of musical origin.
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:18 pm

Drummond was in Big in Japan and I think either got or signed Echo and the Bunnymen to a major label. He was some dude involved with major labels (back when they mattered more). Cauty was part of some DJ/electronica collectives (please excuse my ignorance on the proper terms for that scene) and was part of The Orb. The KLF had some points to prove (esp. with the legality of the sample and ownership of a sound in different environments) but they had the understanding of systems to make things work.

At the same time (well, earlier), people were kind of tired the punk scene kinda getting same-y and follower oriented (look at all the Discharge bands, or Crass followers, ahem, Dirt). Some people got sick of seeing all black clothes and morose, boring people so they moved on goth/deathrock, acid house, more hippy-ish music, pop-subversion, grind/noisecore/power violence, and some industrial/no wave (even though it was concurrent).. Chumbawamba (which is another band that can be seen in two different lights...sell outs or subversion? I don't know), Blyth Power, Astronauts, etc. moved on within their realm but I think KLF was trying to be punk without being/sounding punk...don't know if they were entirely successful.

edit: but yea, I agree. We've got access to media and information is a quick, easy to access format. Can kinda do what we want in some kind of community a lot easier these days.

It goes back to Cress comments from before: is it more effective to work within a system to subvert/spread works or to separate completely from a system to show an Alternative?

It's fun to think about and it all comes with some rockin' tunes! YEA! :lol:
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby daseb » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:57 pm

lordgalvar wrote:I feel that a lot of the 90s and 00s stuff is kinda weaker.


oh absolutely no argument from me about that, for sure.
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Re: One Stop Anarcho Society of Useless Symbolism

Postby casecandy » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:17 pm

D.o.S. wrote:It's like anything else, you can take it to an extreme and hold everyone to an impossible standard but ultimately that's about a thousand times less productive than it could be as far as sharing the message and the ideas.
You know what? Since the Refused thread I've mellowed and become a lot more sympathetic to this view. Thanks! I get what you were saying 100% and have come around to your point of view on it. The anarchist thing is so myopic and counterproductive. In my defense, I was more holding Refused to their own standards than agreeing with them.

Julian Cope didn't care too much for the burning of a million quid:

He burned a million pounds which was not all his, and some of it was mine. People should pay off their creditors before they pull intellectual dry-wank stunts like that.


I'd take that a step further and say, how much good could you have done with a million quid?

Bill Drummond was definitely insane and definitely punk, but maybe it would have been punker to spend more time making music instead of wanking around with fake electro shit and actually helping people instead of burning money?

Punks should help people.

Anyway what does Julian Cope know, he's dead anyway, apparently.

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