Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses



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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby ck3 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:43 pm

Does the Moog Minifooger have any carrier wave bleedthrough? I'm looking for a quieter analog option than my Gonkulator RI, which isn't excessively noisy, but still audibly oscillates when engaged.

I'm also digging the Bitquest ring mod effect. It produces quirky reverb tails at higher decay settings. Total death knell bell action.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:11 pm

I think the minifooger is slightly quieter than the gonk. I didnt think the gonk was noisy though.

Really noisy ones are things like the Craig anderton, Carlin, studio electronic, and sometimes the Monobius.

Something's you can try to lower noise floor is not having any kind of guitar bleed (like a noise gate) before the ring mod that keeps the diodes/amplifiers opening and closing. If they are in balance amplitude-wise and the modulator isn't opening the ring at all, there shouldn't be bleed. This doesn't take into account hot signals bleeding over switches or power supply noise from another pedal (but it is always good to check that power supply noise or noise floor isn't keeping the ring mod ring modding). If there is noise/signal large enough to activate the system, any can be noisy because of it's dependence on one signal gating the other.

Could also ask digitechrep if there is a trim for carrier volume on the gonk.

Another way around it is like the fix parasit made for the Carlin: envelope gate one the carrier (would require something like a noise gate side chain kinda thing and an external carrier).
Essentially a transistor that, when activated by incoming signal, turns on an led that changes the volume of the carrier. Like a dumb comparator (the vactrol just slows down the trasistor gating action).

The reverb trails are the oscillator not changing volume as your guitar does while decaying. The carrier is just louder and takes over. The Saturn and copilot ones are very much like that in the analog world.



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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby friendship » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:36 pm

ck3 wrote:Does the Moog Minifooger have any carrier wave bleedthrough? I'm looking for a quieter analog option than my Gonkulator RI, which isn't excessively noisy, but still audibly oscillates when engaged.


The MF Ring doesn't have an LFO, so it won't oscillate when engaged. But according to the article Chank posted, that's probably why it doesn't bleed either. If you're running lots of gain the decay of your notes will have a lot of ring modulation but other than that it's pretty quiet.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:40 pm

I think he means lfo as carrier. The minifooger carrier has more range than the gonk (but both go into the higher side of lfo territory).

But, yea, listen to friendship if you don't want to read my text Wall: check the gain.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby friendship » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:45 pm

Ohhh word
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby $harkToootth » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 pm

$75 PUHZINGS on mtl.asm's site. I have to pass but maybe someone else wants it? http://mtlasm.tictail.com/product/puhzi ... plate-blem

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby omarwhite » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:50 pm

says Out Of Stock ...
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby $harkToootth » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:58 pm

omarwhite wrote:says Out Of Stock ...

Sorry. I tried hommie. Apparently someone else agreed with my thoughts.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby retinal orbita » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

Damn I would have bought a $75 ring mod from them....

Still waiting on a demo video from the Outer Rings.....
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:36 pm

$harkToootth wrote:
I don't know what the fuck happened with my brain's receptors and inhibitors...but ring-mod is now my favorite effect. How do I tell my parents?


:lol: Don't tell your parents. :idk:

They probably don't care either way. :snax:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Confuzzled » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:34 am

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penelope tree wrote:Are there any miniature (Mooer-sized) ring modulators available?


There are some RMs in the Mooer budget range. (can't recall a Mooer or Hotone RM though) These Aural Dream pedals have a reputation for lacking in build quality, but they're only about $68 NIB. Possibly worth rehousing or circuit-bending? :idk:



I was just watching a bunch of the demos on these pedals. wondering if they're clones ala behringer.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:44 am

Does Behringer even build a dedicated ring mod? :idk:

That Super Ring doesn't sound too bad though. :snax:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby retinal orbita » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:10 pm

That super ring looks super cool. I love the waveform options. I like high end ringmod bit I can also get down with the super cheap.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby retinal orbita » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:07 pm

I watched that video. Looks sick. Where do you buy these "Aural Dream" pedals?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby $harkToootth » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:15 pm

I don't think their site has direct check out so https://www.amazon.com/Vibrato-Guitar-E ... B06XBM9P57
They will be shipped from China though.
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