2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)



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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby backwardsvoyager » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:32 am

echorec wrote:Oof. $279 for one algo or drop $300-350 on a used one and get 10x as many algos. You get a smaller imprint and 5 onboard presets for some convenience. Even at $200 used, this is not the pedal for me, but kudos to those who can make it work.

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Big oof.

If only if it was like those Neunaber peds and you could just load up your algo of choice... has that Strymon/Meris style layout and feature set that works well for a lot of people.

At least it's marginally less ugly than the Rose :idk:
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby Dandolin » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:13 am

yeah, idk, even if you're exclusively a Blackhole user, seems an expensive way to go, and the main advantage is your choice of physical knobs/smaller size (depending on whether you're considering the alternative as H9/Space)? :idk: how large is that market? :snax:
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby whoismarykelly » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:50 pm

echorec wrote:I don't want to say, that Eventide is turning into Roland, but they seem to be really coasting on 30-40 year old past successes. :idk: None of their pedals have graduated to a V2 or gotten a more powerful internal processor in 10+ years.



This isn't that big of a deal to me. Eventide uses a 24bit DSP which is about as high as you need for a hardware device for musical instruments. Its in line with high performance processors used in other top tier pedals and for what were asking them to do its plenty of power. You would only need to go to a more powerful platform if you were going to ask the processor to do significantly more work which guitar pedals aren't likely to do.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby echorec » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:54 pm

First impression: I'll never like the Steiner-Parker filter. I find many demos of Arturia's analog demos to be so muddy and unfocused. It's nice they added a Moog-inspired Ladder filter, but it's kind of a boring touch. That is, after all, the most recognizable synth filter. I'd need to hear much more to get interested. I found the MatrixBrute to be so dull and rubbery.

I don't see any mention of randomization or automation in the ad copy. That's a huge disappointment. That would make the modulation matrix so much more useful, if you could automate random connections for evolving or unexpected sounds.

At $2500, I'd definitely prefer software & plugins or a cheaper synth + plugins/pedals. :idk:

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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby MrNovember » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:03 pm

$2500 USD is a little steep, but I like all the extra controls they've included (ribbon controller, morph pad thing) and the mod matrix looks really intuitive and nice. I don't see myself ever buying one, but I'd absolutely try one out in store if given the chance
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby Inconuucl » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:02 pm



This tiny synth will be the end of me. It has the LSDJ layout but with 8 copies of Mutable Instruments' Braids powering it.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:13 pm

echorec wrote:First impression: I'll never like the Steiner-Parker filter. I find many demos of Arturia's analog demos to be so muddy and unfocused. It's nice they added a Moog-inspired Ladder filter, but it's kind of a boring touch. That is, after all, the most recognizable synth filter. I'd need to hear much more to get interested. I found the MatrixBrute to be so dull and rubbery.

I don't see any mention of randomization or automation in the ad copy. That's a huge disappointment. That would make the modulation matrix so much more useful, if you could automate random connections for evolving or unexpected sounds.

At $2500, I'd definitely prefer software & plugins or a cheaper synth + plugins/pedals. :idk:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... ynthesizer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnUOCMTP3o

I think it looks and sounds pretty great from this! I like the morph thing and it just sounds pretty good to me. As Mr N said, would like to try.

I had a minibrute and I like the filter, haha. Different strokes.

That said, I'm not even close to being in the market for a $2.5k synth so my take is very much from a distance rather than getting into the nitty gritty.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby codetocontra » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:23 pm

Inconuucl wrote:

This tiny synth will be the end of me. It has the LSDJ layout but with 8 copies of Mutable Instruments' Braids powering it.


This is rad.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby MrNovember » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:49 pm

coldbrightsunlight wrote:
echorec wrote:First impression: I'll never like the Steiner-Parker filter. I find many demos of Arturia's analog demos to be so muddy and unfocused. It's nice they added a Moog-inspired Ladder filter, but it's kind of a boring touch. That is, after all, the most recognizable synth filter. I'd need to hear much more to get interested. I found the MatrixBrute to be so dull and rubbery.

I don't see any mention of randomization or automation in the ad copy. That's a huge disappointment. That would make the modulation matrix so much more useful, if you could automate random connections for evolving or unexpected sounds.

At $2500, I'd definitely prefer software & plugins or a cheaper synth + plugins/pedals. :idk:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... ynthesizer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnUOCMTP3o

I think it looks and sounds pretty great from this! I like the morph thing and it just sounds pretty good to me. As Mr N said, would like to try.

I had a minibrute and I like the filter, haha. Different strokes.

That said, I'm not even close to being in the market for a $2.5k synth so my take is very much from a distance rather than getting into the nitty gritty.

So I finally actually watched the video on this and I am really intrigued by the A/B patch morphing. That's a really innovative and interesting idea!
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby Inconuucl » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:45 pm

MrNovember wrote:So I finally actually watched the video on this and I am really intrigued by the A/B patch morphing. That's a really innovative and interesting idea!


It's the taking of the Elektron morph and putting in on a hard synth, it's pretty cool. Drambo on the iOS has something similar (though with more destinations) on their modular environment. And SugarByte's synth's almost draw the concept out to extremes.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby cantremember » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:07 pm

Inconuucl wrote:

This tiny synth will be the end of me. It has the LSDJ layout but with 8 copies of Mutable Instruments' Braids powering it.


This looks sick! Will probably scoop one of these when he starts full production.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby MaxMaps » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:05 am

backwardsvoyager wrote:
echorec wrote:Oof. $279 for one algo or drop $300-350 on a used one and get 10x as many algos. You get a smaller imprint and 5 onboard presets for some convenience. Even at $200 used, this is not the pedal for me, but kudos to those who can make it work.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... verb-pedal

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Big oof.

If only if it was like those Neunaber peds and you could just load up your algo of choice... has that Strymon/Meris style layout and feature set that works well for a lot of people.

At least it's marginally less ugly than the Rose :idk:


watched a demo of this, am I alone to feel really underwhelmed by the whole thing? It just seems they are trying to push a lot into a box in a sound that is already really good as is.

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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby penelope tree » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:56 am

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Gone Fission wrote:Eventide is trying to social media hue but not leak too much about a new pedal before announcing it tomorrow. But people have enhanced the image enough to give it away. By the control and switch labeling it’s a stand-alone Blackhole reverb algorithm pedal in a case the size of a Rose. Maybe used Space pedals come down in price a bit soon?


Oof. $279 for one algo or drop $300-350 on a used one and get 10x as many algos. You get a smaller imprint and 5 onboard presets for some convenience. Even at $200 used, this is not the pedal for me, but kudos to those who can make it work.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... verb-pedal

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I'm sort of interested in this, but would probably be more likely to get an H9 or Space. Besides being a bit cheaper and smaller does the dedicated Blackhole pedal have any new features?
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby Gone Fission » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:22 am

The new feature is the argument it makes for an H9 Max as a good value. Two dedicated algorithm pedals will cost almost as much as a Max with a 20%-off holiday sale.

The only thing that looks different from the Space and H9 is the Rose’s USB-MIDI and preset management system. If you enjoyed the H9 Control app for preset management (or would have) I think you’re out of luck unless they have promised to add support.

I think this for a very different customer than me.
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Re: 2020 Happenings! (summer nah-mann)

Postby MrNovember » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:32 am

I would actually be much more interested in a standalone Blackhole than any of their other offerings. I've had an H9 in the past, I hated the lack of control, I couldn't stand the app, and I pretty much exclusively used the Blackhole (and sometime Undulator) modes. Also, $279 sounds expensive for one algorithm, but you are also buying a piece of hardware and most comparable devices cost around the same (Meris Mercury 7 is $299) :idk:
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