Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!



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Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby laughter_much_louder » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:13 am

First post here. I'm having trouble with fuzz. I have a modest fuzz collection that I play at home with my Vibro Champ and all of my fuzzes sound incredible through that amp. But I'm playing in the first band I've ever played in that fuzz seemed appropriate. Only I can't get fuzz to sound good through my Marshall style amp that gets really cookin'. I play through an 800 clone that has a gain stage removed(as I understand it) and I wind the gain down as much as I can without sacrificing level(we play loudly.) It's a really dynamic amp so to me it's mostly clean and mildly dirty when I dig in. So I'm sacrificing gain from the amp for fuzz...which also makes Overdrive pedals mandatory. It's a frustrating journey because I'll be recording with the Champ and fuzz so I want to play with fuzz live.


Every fuzz I own sounds muddy through this amps like this. Is it a lost cause to play fuzz through a dirty Marshall?

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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby MechaGodzilla » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:08 am

Set the amp dirtier, use your guitar's volume to clean it up as required.

Your fuzzes can be your ODs too, using the same volume pot technique. The broadcast and sunface should clean up really well.

Always set fuzz loud.
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby daedelus23 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:00 am

Fuzz into a dirty amp can be tricky. You're basically running up against the headroom of the amp. I've usually found that lowering the gain a bit and boosting the treble (or cutting the bass frequencies) helps a lot. Then find the right amount of overall volume that pushes the amp to where you want it to be. Too much bass will make it sound muddy or cause the amp to fart out and if it's already a little gainy just a dab more fuzz sounds a lot bigger than the same fuzz sounds into a clean amp.

And, as always, use your volume and tone controls on your guitar.
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby frigid midget » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:20 pm

I hear you. Ever tried a plexi style Marshall though? Or something else with enough clean headroom? I'm sure that replacing your amp wasn't the kind of solution you had in mind, but I doub't there's a magical fuzz pedal or hidden amp setting that'll do the trick :idk:

Other than a different amp, a loud clean boost to give the amp that extra little oomp might get you close enough? Easy on the low end, you wanna keep things tight and clear.
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Postby coldbrightsunlight » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:46 pm

daedelus23 wrote:Fuzz into a dirty amp can be tricky. You're basically running up against the headroom of the amp. I've usually found that lowering the gain a bit and boosting the treble (or cutting the bass frequencies) helps a lot. Then find the right amount of overall volume that pushes the amp to where you want it to be. Too much bass will make it sound muddy or cause the amp to fart out and if it's already a little gainy just a dab more fuzz sounds a lot bigger than the same fuzz sounds into a clean amp.

And, as always, use your volume and tone controls on your guitar.

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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby Casavettes » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:02 pm

I would definitely try a treble booster or something like EQD’s Arrows. That made my fuzz pedals and overdrives bust through like the kool aid man.
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Postby Gone Fission » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:29 pm

Last few posts are on point. 800 clone with a gain stage removed should be a Plexi/Super Lead, give or take. So I have suspicions something else might be going on with the amp. Any mention of “Jose mod”/“Brown Eye” or any other jargon? Those two are about clipping diodes added to the circuit, adding distortion and compression but nixing some headroom and a bad idea for a fuzz platform.
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby systemofameow » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:27 pm

daedelus23 wrote:Fuzz into a dirty amp can be tricky. You're basically running up against the headroom of the amp. I've usually found that lowering the gain a bit and boosting the treble (or cutting the bass frequencies) helps a lot. Then find the right amount of overall volume that pushes the amp to where you want it to be. Too much bass will make it sound muddy or cause the amp to fart out and if it's already a little gainy just a dab more fuzz sounds a lot bigger than the same fuzz sounds into a clean amp.

And, as always, use your volume and tone controls on your guitar.

I've been having problems with a bassman-like amp farting out against my normal fuzz/distortion settings so this is incredibly helpful. Gonna try some of this the next time I'm at my spot. :thumb:
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby neonblack » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:30 am

Harmonic Percolator my dude. It was my only hope when I played through a vox clone that got dirty quick. Percolator was the only thing that didn't fart out.

But like everyone else was saying, less bass and gain.

Maybe try something more "textural" than high gain. Something with a lot of character that won't saturate like crazy. Something with a bias control maybe? Like a fuzzy OD?
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby vidret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:04 am

Black Forest!
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby daedelus23 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:31 am

A Percolator's a great idea. You can dial in tight and trebly which is what you want to punch through your amp's headroom.
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby misterstomach » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:13 pm

So an 800 with a gain stage removed would basically be like going into the low input on a regular 800. I've done this a ton with fuzz. I usually had the preamp gain cranked. So it was a slightly hairy clean with more breakup as you dig in. I probably play a different kind of music than you and I've never used any of those pedals you have, but the amp always took fuzz like a champ for me. I play through the high input mostly these days, with the preamp around 5-6, so it's louder and just a hair dirtier than cranked through the low input. Still sounds killer. Are you sure your amp is a very faithful clone of a marshall? You don't often hear complaints about fuzz through a marshall. It's worked for everyone from jimi hendrix to dinosaur jr to yob.
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Postby BetterOffShred » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:58 pm

Black Forest is always a good option. And percolator.. both good options.
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Postby rfurtkamp » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:40 am

I never could get an amp with gain to sound right with my toys.

For a one-shot instance, I love the sound of the right Marshall-ish thing- but I always go back to the Jazz Chorus/Fender 6L6 dead clean.
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Re: Fuzz through a dirty amp...it's a f*$kin' problem!

Postby laughter_much_louder » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:53 pm

Thanks for all the replies y'all!

-Indeed it is an 800 circuit made by Acorn. It's Acorn #2 actually. Recently verified by Bryan Sours (Soursound) in Portland when he did some work on it. Bryan pulled out one gain stage because I expressed wanting more clean headroom. The amp is pretty clean by my standards but every fuzz sounds super over saturated and compressed-doomy (I am tuned to C# also). Which is rad for certain parts of songs but not all. Even if I roll the bass on the amp all the way off everything has so much low end.

-I've been looking at a couple percolators the last few weeks actually...Champion Leccy makes a cool looking one knobber, Dude Incredible -I'm open to suggestions. There are also Fuzz Right circuits that may cut through I guess?

-Is the Black Forest based on the Power Booster?

-I think ultimately I need one of my amps with more headroom. I'm currently running a Cameron modded Sovtek in parallel...suggestion for an affordable high headroom amp in the 100w or more range?
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