The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!



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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby Chankgeez » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:21 pm

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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby goroth » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:44 pm

You know it Chanks :)

No seriously. It's been over 25 degrees for the past week.

Ok, just got home and I have no way to crank anything as all children are asleep right now and I'd like it to stay that way. Did some reading on the trip home from Gotland and I reckon this will get you in the ballpark. So here goes...

D+ is an op-amp OD. Bodes well. It has symmetrical clipping. Check. It has a slight bass rolloff which gives a really tight wound.
Randy ran this through a NMV Marshall running somewhere in that fantastic no-mans land between clean and dirty. Apparently bass was on zero, mids fairly cranked, treble on 7, presence up a bit.

So...
Unless you have super low output pickups I'd roll with gain switch down (that is, only the first gain stage).
Don't adjust the gain knob yet.
The clipping toggle is a tough one. Up is symmetrical clipping, just like the D+. But the upper position is LED clipping, whereas the D+ uses silicon diodes. The lower position on the clipping knob is a silicon diode, but it's working all on its lonesome, so its providing asymmetrical clipping. To my ears, the silicon diode sounds closer to the demos of the D+ I've heard on the internetz. But, I also think the LEDs have a little more presence than the silicon diodes. Begin with the switch down with the silicon diode. I'll get back to that point....
Mid frequency toggle is easy - toggle down for a mid boost around 800hz. To my ears that just sounds super marshally.
Bass cut: Put the toggle in the middle position and cut as much bass as you can. This will give you a really tight distortion, and you will hear any and all mistakes you make... It will definitely make you appreciate how awesome Randy was :)

Knobs:
Start with the volume at 12 o'clock. Mix on full.
Crank the mids to somewhere close to full.
Adjust the gain until you get a distortion that is punchy but not too saturated.
If the mid range is too honky, dial it back a bit and compensate with a little more gain. Especially so if you are playing at bedroom volume. If you are playing loud fuck it, nail that mid range.
Start with the bass at 12. The bass cut switch should get you in the right ballpark in terms of bass response, but you may need to cut more. The D+ cuts a bit, and the Marshall tone stack with bass on 0 cuts a lot. Randy would have gotten some bass response out of his 4x12s and the massive volume he was using, but it's a sound that leaves a lot of room for a bass guitar. So this is a bit rig/volume dependent, and whether you are playing by yourself (you'll itch for more bass) or playing with a band (cut that bass Randy style!).
I'd crank the treble up to at least 3 o'clock and take it from there, depending on your rig.

That should be a good start at least!

A final note about clipping diodes - Randy had the presence pretty high on his Marshall. This can't be replicated at all with the Elements, but if you find that you're at the right amount of treble and the overall sound is still a bit "flat" then I'd change the clipping switch to the upper position and bring in the LEDs. To my ears they have more "presence" than silicon diodes - but that is using presence in the descriptive sense and not in the way it is actually implemented in an amp. Meh, you know what I mean.

I'm kinda tired so if that didn't make sense hit me up. If you get a chance to try the settings above out before I do, and it doesn't sound right, let me know what sounds wrong and I'll see what I can come up with :)
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby SigurWes » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:36 pm

This is amazing. Maybe the best reply I've received to anything, ever on the internet.
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby spacelordmother » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:39 pm

SigurWes wrote:This is amazing. Maybe the best reply I've received to anything, ever on the internet.


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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby SigurWes » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:20 pm

spacelordmother wrote:
SigurWes wrote:This is amazing. Maybe the best reply I've received to anything, ever on the internet.


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I guess so!
I'll post my list of settings soon!
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby SigurWes » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:08 pm

So I set all this up and definitely had to add some extra gain in. I am thinking RR would've used his with his Marshall set on pretty full to start. I run into a clean amp, set for Gilmourish tones, so I had to bring it up to the high gain section and then tweak the EQ a bit. Got about where i wanted to be, but it was only going to get me so close with the amp set up as I have it.
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby goroth » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:06 pm

Awesome man!

Didn't have the pedal in front of me when I wrote to ya so it was a bit of guesswork. Post the settings you ended up with!
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby SigurWes » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:26 pm

Started with your suggestions, but ended up here:
High Gain, Up*, Up, Down
Gain 9:30
Bass 1:00
Mid 3:00
Treb 3:30

Keep in mind, my amp is set up very dark (roughly: B5, M5, T3 all out of 10). I use Up clip with my strat and down clip with my PRS with humbuckers.
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby DarkAxel » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:43 pm

Here's one of my favourites for bass. Great faux-muff sound with heaps of punch and body due to the Mids control :) Can get even more boomy with the Bass switch down, but i' play through a 15" cab, so this is ENOUGH :lol:
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby Clean Channel » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:15 pm

Aside from the volume knob, I leave my Elements like this all of the time. I sometimes swap the 'mid freq' switch to center as opposed to up.

Also very important to note that a lot of my favorite tones at this setting come about when I roll the volume back on my guitar. A rolled-back signal into this sounds so darned good. I roll up when I want that thicker sound or some more sustain, but more often than not am rolled back a bit. Also, when I want a different sound, I stack all of that into the Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop which also sounds amazing!

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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby goroth » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:27 pm

Awesome - that's pretty much my favourite setting as well!
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby Clean Channel » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:30 pm

Nice! Five up top!
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby rustywire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:18 pm

I'm not sure if it's been covered here...didn't read through the 28 pages...but The Elements can function as a buffered volume pedal/mute/manual tremolo.
Set Volume & Gain to minimum, fully ccw, Mix to maximum, fully cw. All other knob/switch settings can be set to whatever.
Using an expression pedal, toe-down mutes the signal and heel-down fully passes it.

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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby Ryan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:41 pm

SigurWes wrote:Started with your suggestions, but ended up here:
High Gain, Up*, Up, Down
Gain 9:30
Bass 1:00
Mid 3:00
Treb 3:30

Keep in mind, my amp is set up very dark (roughly: B5, M5, T3 all out of 10). I use Up clip with my strat and down clip with my PRS with humbuckers.


Right on, glad you found a cool setting and welcome to ILF! And thanks Matt for all the great tips, nicely done! So did Randy always have that frozen modulation sound on his guitar like on Crazy Train? Like a chorus or flanger that's not moving plus super high gain? Is that right? Love that tone by the way, awesome sounding. Maybe a cocked wah or something that really pushed the mids? I don't know anything about that tone but it's cool and I'd probably set the Elements with pretty high gain, LED clipping, very high mids, mid toggle in the middle, bass toggle down.. kind of my Slayer setting too I guess.

DarkAxel wrote:Here's one of my favourites for bass. Great faux-muff sound with heaps of punch and body due to the Mids control :) Can get even more boomy with the Bass switch down, but i' play through a 15" cab, so this is ENOUGH :lol:


Nice, Jan! Very cool you play though a 15", that's something I'd like to add to my arsenal bigtime.

Clean Channel wrote:Aside from the volume knob, I leave my Elements like this all of the time. I sometimes swap the 'mid freq' switch to center as opposed to up.

Also very important to note that a lot of my favorite tones at this setting come about when I roll the volume back on my guitar. A rolled-back signal into this sounds so darned good. I roll up when I want that thicker sound or some more sustain, but more often than not am rolled back a bit. Also, when I want a different sound, I stack all of that into the Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop which also sounds amazing!

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That's cool, Tim, pretty cooking setting there! The Barbershop is awesome, really unique sounding.

goroth wrote:Awesome - that's pretty much my favourite setting as well!


My favourite Elements settings have the midrange knob either all the way up or all the way down, I always end up at midrange extremes.

rustywire wrote:I'm not sure if it's been covered here...didn't read through the 28 pages...but The Elements can function as a buffered volume pedal/mute/manual tremolo.
Set Volume & Gain to minimum, fully ccw, Mix to maximum, fully cw. All other knob/switch settings can be set to whatever.
Using an expression pedal, toe-down mutes the signal and heel-down fully passes it.

Such a useful piece of kit. Brilliant :hobbes:


Haha John, that's a really creative use of the Elements! I don't think I've heard of that setting before.. manual tremolo pedal.. *pretty impressed*
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Re: The Elements, favorite settings, post them here!

Postby SigurWes » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:00 pm

Anyone have a setting that can start me towards David Gilmour's overdrive sounds? Like the Colorsound Power Boost or Tube Driver? Sounds like the Another Brick in the Wall solo or the intro to SOYCD? I'm pretty close, but can't quite get it.


Current settings:
G12
V1
M3
down down up up
B2
M3
T2

(all settings o'clock)
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